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A Crime For Thee, But Not For Me

Posted on: December 11, 2018


It has been 189 years since You Know Who became president*. There seems to finally be some sort of progress in the Bob Mueller investigation: the Michael Cohen indictments suggest some serious hanky panky and directly implicate Trump. Mueller wouldn’t have mentioned any of that – and Cohen wouldn’t be pleading guilty – if there wasn’t some serious evidence. It is also safe to assume that Mueller didn’t show his entire hand in those filings. But we have no idea what Mueller has or doesn’t have. More importantly – we can’t predict what will happen when he finally reveals the information. We can presume the entire GOP will stand behind Trump. Just look at how they are reacting to the revelations that Trump used campaign money to pay off porn stars:

Orrin Hatch: “I don’t think he was involved in crimes, but even then, you know, you can make anything a crime und the current laws; if you want to you can blow it way out of proportion, you can do a lot of things… President Trump before he became President, that’s another world. Since he’s become President this economy has charged ahead… And I think we ought to judge him on that basis, other than trying to drum up things from the past that may or may not be true.”

Chuck Grassley: “They based it on what a liar says, so it hurts the credibility of it.”

John Kennedy: “Well, let me say this about Mister Cohen: Jesus loves him, but everybody else thinks he’s an idiot. I think most Americans think he’s a sleazoid grifter. I can’t imagine basing any kind of prosecution on the word of Mister Cohen. Do I support violations of the campaign finance act if that indeed happened? Of course not. But the President says it was a private transaction, and it would appear to me that the only evidence is coming from Mister Cohen, whose credibility can be questioned. Duh.”

Do you remember how Hatch and Grassley opposed the impeachment of Bill Clinton for lying about an extramarital affair that came to light during an investigation into a 1970’s land deal? Oh wait a minute, they wanted Bill Clinton impeached and removed from office… Their inconsistency seems odd! But it does tell us that GOP will never ever ever ever turn on Trump. I keep seeing pundits claim that some miraculous event will finally make GOP turn: it’s been 3 years of that and we have seen zero cracks in the facade. The GOP will never turn on Trump. Ever. It’s not because he’s blackmailing them. It’s because they fully support everything he does and stands for. They want more of that. They will support a more extreme candidate next. I remember at CPAC shortly after the election, Kellyanne Conway declared from the stage that when CPAC ends, the GOP will be Trump’s party: she was right about that. GOP and Trump crawled out of the same womb.

One issue that is not only far from being resolved, we have seen no attempt to even try to figure out what happened, is the issue of FBI NY office and the role they played in the 2016 election. Charles Pierce points to a section of Comey’s most recent testimony to the House where he finally explicitly states that the reason he decided to go public with his letter was the leaking of the FBI NY office and his inability to stop them.

“I was concerned that there appeared to be in the media a number of stories that might have been based on communications reporters or nonreporters like Rudy Giuliani were having with people in the New York field office. In particular, in I want to say mid October, maybe a little bit later, Mr. Giuliani was making statements that appeared to be based on his knowledge of workings inside the FBI New York. And then my recollection is there were other stories that were in the same ballpark that gave me a general concern that we may have a leak problem — unauthorized disclosure problem out of New York, and so I asked that it be investigated.”

In a previous testimony I recall Comey said there was an attempt to look into his matter when he was still FBI director, but that investigation seems to have died. Certainly no news has come out that references it in any way. I am surprised (not really!) that no media outlet has pursued this story in any meaningful way. There is a Pulitzer out there for an investigative journalist that digs into this; it doesn’t appear as if anyone is interested though.

This is an open thread!

120 Responses to "A Crime For Thee, But Not For Me"

Comey apparently didn’t know this, but he was the Director of the FBI. He could have fired those guys. (Somehow, I’m sure they were guys.) He could have held a press conference telling the world what they’d done. If he wanted to Both Sides the thing, he could have mentioned the kind of evidence they already had on Trump.

“Guiliani made me do it” is a whining excuse.

Although whatever the hell was / is going on in the SDNY FBI def does need investigating, too.

Quixote, from last thread look at my comment @69 which gives botanical names for several elderberry species. We both know the problems with using common names — you can’t be sure which plant is being referred to. I hate to imagine someone trying to use Sambucca racemosa instead of Sambucca nigra to make elderberry syrup, though the unappetizing smell from S. racemosa would probably give them a clue, lol. I wonder if S. nigra is the one native to Europe, which is where most of the recipes come from.

Sambucus not Sambucca. How embarrassing.

Since he’s become President this economy has charged ahead

Which is why the stock market’s been doing so well and rank-and-file employees are getting raises just like CEOs. Riiiiiight. As for “sleazoid grifter,” that would describe Cohen’s former boss. My head hurts trying to follow their reasoning.

John Kennedy

I really hate that his parents gave mush mouth that name.

Off topic but, it was rumored that mush mouth was gonna run against John Bel Edwards for guv next year. He decided against it. And the same goes for the La. Sec’y of State, Jeff Landry. I’d much rather mush mouth stay in DC where he’s only one of one hundred.

Hee-hee, no one wants to work for that turd.

It’s not quite as dumb as it sounds.

Man stole ambulance from Lafourche Parish hospital, was heading to Japan via Kenner

Kenner is where the airport is located.

@11> OMG. I expect there will be tweets.

As far as I can recall, there are only 2 female politicians to-date who have snubbed or corrected Trump to his face: @HillaryClinton and @TeamPelosi.

And isn’t it cute that the younger generation of Dems think that Hillary, Pelosi and Diane are too old, they should let the younger, barking women take the lead just because they have big mouths.

Fredster, Love that little puffball pupper!

DYB & Shadow, yep, exactly why the Rs and Trump hate and fear women who can stand up to them.

DYB, excellent post, especially the last two paragraphs. And the Madonna song.

@1, Spot on.

DYB, excellent post… (Annie)


Luna @17, 18, 19 Awesome!

14 Baby Dump…HAHAHA!

DYB, we have not forgotten and won’t. CREW has filed a lawsuit against the FBI for FOIA documents on the NY FBI leaks – naming Ghouliani.

The FBI is in violation of the law for failing to turn over documents related to the FBI’s investigation into the leak of information to Rudy Giuliani in October 2016 that then-FBI Director James Comey was going to reopen the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email system, according to a lawsuit filed today by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW).

Two days before Comey announced that the FBI was reopening its investigation into Clinton’s emails, Giuliani went on Fox News and said, “I do think that all of these revelations about Hillary Clinton are beginning to have an impact. He’s got a surprise or two that you’re going to hear about in the next two days.” He later admitted to getting advanced information about the FBI, saying, “Did I hear about it? You’re darn right I heard about it. And I can’t even repeat the language that I heard.”

An investigation was later launched into who leaked the information to Giuliani, which would violate the law. In April, CREW requested copies of all records of the investigation into the source of the leak, but has yet to receive any.

@7: Fredster, Kennedy is folksy! You know how the Media loves folksy as long as it’s Republican folksy. Isn’t he known as Senator Soundbite.?

Something else we should never, ever, ever forget. Comey overstepping his bounds in July ’16. Over reacting to the Bill Clinton/Loretta Lynch chance encounter on some damn tarmac. Months (and months) later testifying that they had a document (email) between Lynch and some low level person in Hillary’s campaign that he admitted turned out to be “probably Russian generated” because the two had never communicated. My God. He admitted the FBI (he) not only fell for Russian bullshit, he ACTED on it and influenced the election. Lynch and Obama should have fired his ass in 2016 for insubordination. I have to wonder if the AG had been a man, would Comey have gone over his head?

@24: He could indeed be known as Senator Soudnbite but I really try to mute the sound or change the channel when he comes on.

I just hope he keeps to his statement that he’s not running for guv. There are people who would think him running for guv to be a good thing.

An article about Jon Podesta and the poor guy who owns the pizza joint in DC that was shot up by a nutjob. “PizzaGate” may never die.

Still, Podesta admits that the events of the past two years have left him less inclined to speak out. “You’re conscious about the notion that you are going to trigger a crazy response,” he says. “Sometimes you feel compelled to do it anyway. And I don’t do it for fun. I do it when I think something’s serious enough that I need to say something. And now I’m just a little bit more guarded it, and guarded about what appearances I accept.”

Luna, ditto what Shadow said, enjoyed those tweets you posted!

GAgal @23, I think I saw something about this. I hope they are successful.

GAgal @25, yeah, I side-eye everything Comey says and does. I’ve never been impressed with his intelligence or judgement.

Off to read the Rolling Stones story and off to bed. Catch you all tomorrow.

Malcolm Nance is always so serious. It’s fun to see him crack a joke.

Did anyone else notice Schumer never looked Trump in the eye in that meeting? I know he was talking to the reporters, but he pretty much left it up to Pelosi. Figures.

“I’m like Nick Ayers… my family situation doesn’t allow that anymore”. Too bad for Santorum. He (and his family) will be okay because he has a CNN gig.

@14 DYB – I loved the highchair! It took me a bit to catch up last night when I get home to the news. Predictably, the sycophants all thought Chuck & Nancy were the deplorables. I cleaned up my fb friends list a bit more.

and auto-correct changed my covfefe to coffee – otherwise, it was a good pun

Cohen sentenced to 3 years in prison, and has his freedom until March.

My guess is that in that 3 months he decides to cooperate more with the NY prosecutors?

Hmm, how many people get free time after sentencing and before prison? I have no idea if that’s usual or not.

Duh! Oh, but we need more tax cuts for private-plane owners.

Report shows sharp drop in federal employee morale under Trump

Move to freeze employees’ pay, slash retirement benefits, sap their labor organizations and in significant ways upset their workplace’s mission, then mix those ingredients with nonstop revelations about an amoral boss, and you have a disastrous recipe for employee morale.

So, it’s little wonder that the 2018 Best Places to Work in the Federal Government report shows a steep decline in federal employee engagement.

@38: From what I’ve read/seen they are usually given a set amount of time to “get their affairs in order” type thing.

Haven’t read the articles yet but has his attorney said whether they intend to appeal? If so, there’s a chance he could stay out while that goes on.

I love the title of this article, talking about Nancy standing up to the Dumper.

“The Year of the Woman just roared in Trump’s Oval Office”

CNN saying women really love this.

I don’t think people can stay out of jail just because they repeal a trip to the big house. Seems that 3 months to prepare for their family is a long time. Guess they are not worried about a flight risk.

I seriously think it’s partly time to get him to give in and spill every bean about Trump that he knows, for a partial reduction to the 3 year ticket to prison. “Lock HIM up!” has a new meaning for the Rumpsters.

@42: Sorry but disagree. I’ve read articles where the judges have allowed the defendant to stay out of jail while the appeals process goes on.

Thanks, Fredster. Doesn’t seem right, but that obviously doesn’t mean it’s illegal.

OK, I simply must put in one more tweet on this:

How Nancy Pelosi turned the condescending ‘feisty grandma’ meme into a political weapon
Older women in power face a minefield of stereotypes to avoid. But the 78-year-old House minority leader is navigating it shrewdly, as she showed in a televised Oval Office meeting.


That’s some crazy dancing. I wonder why the Big Dawg didn’t go?

@45/46: LOL, I don’t think HRC will be a threat to Bollywood.

Hmmm,since both she and Kerry were there wonder if there’s a connection to someone from when they were both S.o.S. ?

That Indian wedding is either the richest or the second richest family in India, so, yes, I’d guess there were connections from SoS days. Beyoncé was the featured entertainer. When wealthy Indians have weddings, they don’t fool around.

@50 LOL. Gasp.

@51: I’ve heard that before about their weddings.

@46: Oh, Luna, is that from Meg at the ball or Jo at the opera? Whatever, I’m putting that quote in my memory book. Mmmwaah.

Is Melanoma trying to look like Ivanka?

D, I had that conversation with my sister-in-law’s mom. I said I don’t know what will get the GOP to dump Trump. She thinks it will be when they really see the evidence Mueller has. Maybe? She also said once a few Rethugs defect, the rest will follow. Maybe! She knows her politics…she knocked on doors for Jacky Rosen in Nevada, who won in the #BlueTsunami.

I have to say I have ZERO concerns over Mueller and whether he can deliver the goods on the Keystone KKKlan. A third-grader could do it by using Google. Mueller is a LOT better than that.

Interesting Daily Beast article. As always, the indications have been around since 2016. I mean, Erik Prince arranging casual, who-me?, completely random meetings in a bar in the Seychelles?

It’s starting to look like Duterte may be the only criminal dictator the Dump didn’t use. Yet.

55 Fredster

Grab the Clorox by mistake and you get the worst hair day of the year.

Is Melanoma, [Hahahaha], trying to look like Ivanka?

Ivanka looks like a bleached barbie doll.

This is how their men like them, fake everything and dumb as a brand muffin.

*bran muffin….

Pelosi and Dissident Democrats Reach Deal to Limit Her Speakership to 4 Years

Dissident Democrats = Ageist punks with no consideration as to how Nancy has paved the way for them.

What Pelosi Has Promised to Win Speaker Votes
The next speaker will be elected on Jan. 3. To muster enough support, Nancy Pelosi is striking deals with members of her caucus. Here are some of those bargains.

I keep wondering if the sudden desperation to usurp Pelosi’s Speakership is precisely because those like Seth Moulton are thinking “Express Route to Presidency!”

I think the Bernie wing of the party….the far left socialists, just think they can swoop in and take over the Dem’s. They are as bad as the far right.

Re Pelosi, another factor is that some of the red/swing state Dems made pledges not to support her for Speaker. The right wing smear machine has been so effective that they felt the pledge had to be made in order for Indies and Repubs to vote blue. SMH

Melania Trump’s poll numbers plummet


@70: Some of these little jerks (why am I especially thinking of Moulton and the one from New York?) are gonna find out the power of the Speaker as their duties/responsibilities may include being in charge of refunds for the drink machines throughout the Capitol bldg. LOL

Fredster @55, that is hilarious! Her hair looks awful, her face puffy and red, and am I going crazy or is she starting to look like dump?

Fredster @49, that seems logical. I’m glad our girl had fun.

I agree with Brooklyn Dad. I knew he was sniffing some kind of stimulant.

@77: From that tweet.

@79: Well hell, I was actually able to read it w/out the paywall thing.

@40> Didn’t Cohen plead guilty? This is all part of a plea agreement so I don’t think he can appeal.

Re: Indian weddings – yes, they are big, even if you’re not rich. But if you are rich – multiply the big by the amount of money you have. Have you seen the charming movie “Monsoon Wedding?” Worth checking out and gives you an idea about these events.

On Pelosi – remember, it is not actually the Left that’s attacking her and threatening her Speakership, it is the Right. People like Seth Moulton and Tim Ryan are conservative Democrats. There is only one member of the Progressive Caucus on their team. The Left part of the Democratic caucus has actually been backing Pelosi. That’s the interesting part of this. I think Moulton and Ryan thought they would get the Left to join in, but that did not happen.

I also read somewhere 4 years is about the timeline Pelosi was expected to voluntarily step down anyway.

D @82, My stepdad worked in India in the 60s and went to a few, rich and not rich, so I’ve heard a lot about them.

@83, thanks for pointing that out.

@84, oh that’s adorable!

Shadow @66, Hear, hear!

Dotard wanted his son-in-law for COS from the beginning. Ann Coulter talked him out of him at the time.

@81: From FindLaw:

So when can a person appeal their conviction after a guilty plea? Typically, this can be done in cases where there is “good cause,” such as:

Whether there’s any factual basis for the plea,
Whether the defendant understood the charges against him,
Whether the defendant was informed of his Constitutional rights (right to trial, right to counsel), and
Whether there’s any factual basis for the plea.

Don’t know if any of these apply or not.

I say promote Stephen Miller to COS. Where is that fuckwad and why is he still there in the WH? Or is he? Maybe the media should ask?

@91 Unfortunately, Miller is still there. I read he’s not interested in becoming CoS. As senior policy advisor, his latest despicable, racist plan is to deport Vietnam War refugees.

Roz in NJ/ NYC

Awww, that big white floofy. He’s in a very submissive position for a canine. He is not the alpha in that relationship!

Indian weddings — I hear that it’s not unusual for non-wealthy people to mortgage their house to pay the traditional opulent wedding. Might make you feel guilty about getting divorced after that.

Inauguration funds — well of course Trump did something fraudulent with them. That’s his raison d’être.

Moulton — what a damn insolent puppy.

@81, @90, then there’s this, lol:

Two news pieces off of

Christie is Trump’s top choice for chief of staff: sources
1h ago

Wait, er, uh, maybe…uh nope:

Chris Christie removes himself from chief of staff consideration
31m ago

You just can’t make this stuff up can you? LOL

Jeebus,now he’s going after Vietnamese refugees.

Trump Moves to Deport Vietnam War Refugees

The Trump administration is resuming its efforts to deport certain protected Vietnamese immigrants who have lived in the United States for decades—many of them having fled the country during the Vietnam War.

@98, including the ones that actively helped the US during the Vietnam War. Mind-boggling how Trump can keep getting more and more despicable each week.

Corgi cuteness:

“more and more despicable”

Yes. You’d think he’d run out of ideas at some point. But noooo.

@99 & 101: Do I believe that the deft hand of Stephen Miller is involved there? Why yes I do.

In addition to the sheer Trumpian cruelty of the policy shift, several commentators were quick to note that the plan also bears all the signs of Miller’s pernicious influence.

Ignore the People for Bernie tweet. I did.

@100, adorable!

You go, Adam!

Did I post this yet? I sometimes have a hard time getting the blog to load, so I save things to post then can’t remember if I did. Anyway, CREW is suing the FBI for information about the NY FBI/Ghouliani leaks.

The FBI is in violation of the law for failing to turn over documents related to the FBI’s investigation into the leak of information to Rudy Giuliani in October 2016 that then-FBI Director James Comey was going to reopen the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email system, according to a lawsuit filed today by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW).

Two days before Comey announced that the FBI was reopening its investigation into Clinton’s emails, Giuliani went on Fox News and said, “I do think that all of these revelations about Hillary Clinton are beginning to have an impact. He’s got a surprise or two that you’re going to hear about in the next two days.” He later admitted to getting advanced information about the FBI, saying, “Did I hear about it? You’re darn right I heard about it. And I can’t even repeat the language that I heard.”

An investigation was later launched into who leaked the information to Giuliani, which would violate the law. In April, CREW requested copies of all records of the investigation into the source of the leak, but has yet to receive any.

To go along with Fredster’s photo at 97

“The public got a rare look at the Pelosi who Democrats have talked about for years — the fearless, unyielding leader who’s commanded respect from so many, even if in an intimidating way.
Pelosi’s performance instantly went viral online, particularly when the President suggested she might be weakened in the negotiations because of her fight back at home for speaker.
“Mr. President, please don’t characterize the strength that I bring to this meeting as the leader of the House Democrats, who just won a big victory,” she shot back.”


@106: Thurs.nite Maddow did a quick segment showing all the headlines from HuffPo, Daily Beast, etc. with “Pelosi in trouble with new members”, blah blah. It was extremely snarky. If I can find it I’ll either post it here or post a link to MSNBC.

Nobody with any sense wants to hop on board of the Titanic after it hits the iceberg and the all the life boats are out to sea…

…likewise no one wants to replace Kelly.

Has Mulvaney backed out already?

@100 – corgis are always cute!
@109 – What’s that you’re hearing? Is he going to be 1/2 a Scaramucci?

@110: Dunno abt Mulvaney but Zinke is leaving Interior. Guess he got his fill of the grift.

Awwwuh. For both the dragon and Kit Harrington.

@112, LOL! Hard to get enough Kit Harrington.

112 That’s really cute.

Hopefully this finally links to the skit about cats….

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