The Widdershins

Bottomless Pit

Posted on: February 15, 2018


It is February 15 and we have already had 18 school shootings in the US in 2018. That’s just the school shootings. School shootings are so common and ordinary at this point that NBC didn’t even bother to cut from their Olympic coverage of curling on Wednesday when a former student of the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland Florida opened fire, killing 17 people. The first modern school shooting in America was Columbine on April 20, 1999. (I very highly recommend the book “Columbine” by Dave Cullen. It’s a difficult read, but essential. If you got your Columbine news from the news – everything you know about Columbine is wrong.) Coni Sanders, daughter of slain Columbine teacher Dave Sanders, said on CNN earlier that “The world stopped for Columbine.” It also stopped for Sandy Hook. But these were all temporary pauses. We barely slowed down for all the others. As the British commentator Dan Hodges tweeted in 2015: “In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.” So it will be again. Thoughts and prayers is the only thing GOP – and some Democrats (and Bernie) – will ever offer. NRA’s behavior follows a similar pattern each time a shooting like this happens: they go silent for a couple of days, and then just go on acting as if nothing happened. And collectively we let them. We will only rise again the next time there’s a shooting. Then we will give up again until the next one.

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Thoughts and prayers is all GOP has been offering so far. Marco Rubio said no one should rush to judgment. Trump tweeted condolences; apparently his aides encouraged him to make a statement, but he passed. It’s just as well. I can’t imagine his statement would have offered comfort to anyone. And that’s depressing too. We actually don’t want our President* to make a statement about a mass killing of children because we’re afraid of what he’d say.

New York Daily News put together some numbers and facts in response to members of the GOP tweeting their thoughts and prayers. It’s worth a read.


Personally I think we need to take people’s guns away. Republicans spent 8 years trembling that Obama was going to, but that was absurd, obviously. Well, I think it’s time. It’s time for a politician to step forward and call for a repeal or at the very least, a very serious rethinking of the 2nd Amendment. The gun used in Florida yesterday was the same gun used in Las Vegas and in Sandy Hook. And those semi-automatic guns do not belong in homes of every Joe Schmoes in every town of the country. It’s preposterous. Our Founding Fathers never envisioned a gun like that. And even if they had – so what. It’s a document written hundreds of years ago. In many ways it is an astonishing document, but things change and lives change and standards change. And that document needs to grow with the times. And the times are the 2nd Amendment to go. Repel/replace if you will. Down with the 2nd Amendment!!!!!

What do you think Widdershins? Is it possible? Or will space travel to Mars come before gun control?

This is an open thread Widdershins.

142 Responses to "Bottomless Pit"

Yes, I am ready to take everyone’s guns away. If 22% of people own 100% of guns, why is this tiny minority allowed to continue to control the debate and cause such horror and death to the rest of the country?

We just have to decide as a nation that our own safety is a must have, whereas personal guns are a nice to have. Priorities.

Great post DYB. I think that Congress will never, ever agree to take away all guns and the NRA has the GOP by the coconuts.

I am all for taking away most guns, more like they have laws in Europe that seem to be working. American’s by enlarge seem to not know how to keep guns away from their teenagers and encourage them at a young age to learn how to shoot. And, it is obvious that we have enough deplorables in our country to cause real effin’ damage to our safety and rights.

Current laws for gun checks is a joke. Buying a gun at a gun show or online or in the corner store is a damn joke. This kid bought this ‘AK whatever’ with a legal gun check. (Sorry, I know my terms are incorrect, but I hate guns and don’t know much about them.)

On the other hand…
I do have concerns about someone like Dump running the country and then all American’s have no way to fight back against tyranny without any access to a gun to defend themselves.

I have never had nor lived with anyone with a gun, but if something bad happened…I would run to get behind someone that has one. (It is a dilemma for me.)

Great post DYB,

I just lost a long reply post, but the short version is that I hate living in a country that is filled with guns and the NRA/GOP muscles their way into having less control over who buys and uses them.

I do not have any hope that things will change under Dump or the GOP being in control.

Hillary could have changed a lot, but now they destroyed her chance to become President.

To say it seems hopeless that the USA will ever curb gun violence by having laws like Europe, is an understatement.

I won’t stop fighting to have guns removed, just like I won’t stop fighting for the same $hit I have protested for since I was in high school and college.

Same shit, different day.

@2 Shadowfax, yes Hillary ran against the NRA. Nobody cared.

I honestly think the calling out of the GOP is actually starting to happen. The only silver lining in this horrible dark night.

yes Hillary ran against the NRA. Nobody cared.

The Dems didn’t care but the GOP and deplorables cared. They were screaming at the top of their lungs, “Protect the right to bear arms, Hillary is trying to take your guns away!”

Gun sales went up, through the roof.

And why do gun lovers need more than one small gun?

When do AK-whatevers need to be used to defend oneself? If someone comes in and threatens your family, you need to have enough bullets to kill your entire neighborhood in 3 minutes?

I heard a little of 2Pence talking this morning…his voice quivered over the school shootings and he didn’t mention a word about gun laws, but said that the inJustice department needed to go after criminals faster and harder.

@5. I’m starting to like this Stormy Daniels.

@9 me too- no pun intended

@9 and 10: I would rather have a porn star, a stripper or a prostitute for a friend than Pence, Mother and 99.9% of the GOP, consummate compassionless hypocrites one and all.

DYB, what a thought provoking post! I never thought about repealing the 2nd Amendment before, assuming it could ever be done. It really serves no purpose these days except as a rallying cry for the munitions companies and their brainwashed customers. I don’t have a problem with guns per se if the owners are well trained in their use and security, the guns are registered, and background checks are thorough and meaningful. I think gun owners should be licensed (with tests like drivers undergo) and required to demonstrate their proficiency with a weapon periodically and perhaps take a written test on laws applicable to guns. Never happen of course.

This is another huge reason to Vote Blue in 2018. The NRA has completely infiltrated the Republican Party, and they won’t do a thing to help.

@5, 9, 10, 11, DYB, quixote, lililam, cats, add my name too.

How many of the shooters were white supremacist hetero males? Terrorists.

Really good article:

Mass shootings: How U.S. gun culture compares with the rest of the world

After mass shooting events, much debate centers around Americans’ relatively easy access to guns.

The U.S. is one of only three countries in the world where the right to own guns for self-defense is protected in the constitution.

@4, DYB & @8, Shadow.

HRC v Bernie on NRA. Oh I remember bringing up the gun issue at my caucus. The Burnedbrainers refused to believe, or didn’t care about, his support of the NRA.

Here is the actual wording of the 2nd amendment to the Constitution:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

It is one of the first ten amendments commonly known as the Bill of Rights.

It would probably take a constitutional convention called by the states to repeal the amendment. And perhaps it doesn’t have to be repealed but just “fixed”.

And as Charles Pierce has pointed out, perhaps we don’t want to have a C.C. because the Kock Bros and other righties have been salivating to have one of those.

And further as this WaPo article shows, the framers certainly didn’t have any idea of what constitutes firearms/guns these days:

Apparently Cruz had been receiving counseling of some sort but then stopped going.

Broward County Mayor Beam Furr told CNN that Cruz had been receiving treatment at a mental health clinic for a while, but that he had not been to the clinic for more than a year

A few thread ago, DYB asked what songs helped us when we were feeling down…this is one of them that helps me perk up and want to fight another day.

Here’s the actual form you have to complete when you purchase a firearm.

Check out question 11f:

Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes a determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that you are a danger to yourself or to others or are incompetent to manage your own affairs) OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?”

That’s the only thing they ask about any type of mental health issues.

17 Fredster

This 19 year old also lost his dad, I think 12 years ago, and last fall, his mom got the flu and died.

@20: Yes and was living with the family of a friend or something. If you read the WaPo article, Cruz had a habit of wanting to kill small animals among other things.

He killed squirrels with a pellet gun. He stole neighbors’ mail. He tried to get his dog to attack and bloody the pet piglets being raised in the house across the street. He picked fights with other kids constantly, biting one kid’s ear. He threw rocks and coconuts, vandalized property. He lurked at late hours along drainage ditches that run alongside the back yards of every house on this block. One neighbor caught him peeking into her bedroom window.

Shadow you had a comment from earlier in the day that was in spam. I released it.

Thanks Fredster.

About the Second, it talks about a well-regulated militia. From what little I know of 18th century usage, well-regulated implies “not running amok.” Plus: militia. The idea seems to be that Ye Gov shall not abridge the right of citizens to get together to fight the gov in some kind of trained groups under proper (“well-regulated”) command.

So, just to go all Originalist here (forget the term for those who think they’re good at reading what the Founding Dads really meant):

Without repealing the Second, one could require all armaments to be kept in a locked armory. Citizens could then check them out when they needed to form a squadron to fight the local dogcatchers. (Yeah, yeah. Being facetious. But you know what I mean.)

Without repealing the Second, one could require proof that people were fully trained in the use of the weapon(s) they planned to own and store in the armory.

There’s not a word in there about hunting.

There’s not a word about propping up ammosexuality.

Seems like a strict interpretation of the Second would solve all our problems, take the glow right off guns, bankrupt the local small arms manufacturers, shut down the NRA, and drive all white male Trumpaloes insane. In short, total win.

Yes, I’m being funny. But seriously, that’s a strict interpretation of the Constitution for you. Funny how they’re not that gung-ho in that case.

They pick and choose, don’t they, Quixote?

Excellent post, DYB. I would rather live in a world with no guns whatsoever, but would settle for one with strict gun control, as in, no semi auto or automatic weapons (or “bumps”), only citizens with clean records and no mental health issues can have them, illegal gun dealers go to jail for long sentences, etc. As I’ve said before, I can understand why ranchers need rifles and some people need a small handgun for protection, but the gun culture in America sickens me. People worship their damn guns. Guns are gross–all they are good for is destruction of something. They even smell gross, like metal and oil sort of.

quixote @25, sounds good.

I think Gavin will be our next governor.

Fredster, very good points in that Pierce article.

This girl is responding to the pos tomi lahren:

You know who I’d like to hear from now? Bill frikin’ Clinton. Who better than the guy who signed the Brady bill that Bush let expire? Seems like we managed just fine for 10 years without the sales of automatic weapons.

If only he could get an interview with someone serious like Rachel or Ari Melber who wouldn’t veer off on MeToo or Lewinsky shit. He wouldn’t even have to speak directly about Trump or specific Republicans. Just a general overview of what should be done. Since no one wants him around to stump for candidates, (assholes) then he should talk policy and issues. The question is who will have him on?

GAgal, I am so with you.

That’s a great Gavin Newsom quote. Another reason I will always respect and admire and be grateful to Newsom: it was him performing a gay marriage in San Francisco that opened the flood gates which ended with the SCOTUS ruling.

@34> A lot of kids from that high school have been tweeting at Trump and others, as well as giving interviews, very explicitly blaming guns. It’s interesting… This young woman is responding to Trump.

Maybe, just maybe, the difference between the slaughter in Sandy Hook and Parkland is that the kids in Sandy Hook, the survivors, were too young to have a voice. The kids in Parkland have a voice and they are using it. Maybe something will be different…

@25: quixote, for whatever reason in my non-legal mind, I always had it in there that a “well-regulated militia” referred to what we now think of as the state National Guard, i.e. citizen soldiers. I’m probably totally wrong on that.

@27, annie said: no semi auto or automatic weapons

(sigh) A semi-auto merely means that a shot is fired for each squeeze of the trigger.

Guess what? With a revolver (think of a .38), you squeeze the trigger to fire off one round.. No difference.

Fully automatic weapons?

New, fully automatic weapons—weapons that reload automatically and fire continuously with one trigger pull—have been banned for civilians in the United States since the Firearm Owners’ Protection Act of 1986.

Fredster, I know that fully autos are banned, but bump stocks are legal in many states and in any event, easy to get. Remember the Vegas shooter used them.

Regarding semi autos, I wasn’t thinking of small handguns, as I’m sure you know:

“A semi-automatic weapon, on the other hand, could be described as a civilian version of a military machine gun, one that is less capable of rapid fire. Although the firearm automatically reloads, a shooter must pull the trigger separately in order to fire another round. Semi-automatic weapons are typically pistols, rifles and shotguns, including the AK-47 and AR-15 rifles, the UZI submachine guns, and MAC-10 machine pistols. These firearms are often referred to as “assault weapons,” based on their rapid-fire capability. Gun rights advocates have taken issue with the term, however, arguing that it only applies to fully automatic, “spray firing” weapons [source: Violence Policy Center].”

@46: I knew you weren’t thinking of pistols, but the concept of semi-automatic holds for both pistols and rifles; have to squeeze the trigger each time to get a round off.

Don’t misunderstand me, I have no need or use for an AR-15, AK47 or anything like that. I don’t need or want a gun where the velocity of the bullet is 3,025 ft/s.

And let me say also that when Cruz was going to therapy or whatever and he stopped, that should have been something that prevented him from buying a gun. But Florida itself has no policy or required background checks:

What the hell, Florida? Those of us in the other 49 need to boycott the state until they change their damn laws. It’s unbearable to look at the pictures of the young victims. Its so unfair.

DYB, agree, I have always admired Gavin for taking that stand and taking the lead. It was very brave. I think he would make a good governor.

@49: It’s not just Florida. There are a number of states like that.

Well, well, well. Here’s another twist on the Fl. shooting.

The Anti-Defamation League has learned that Nikolas Cruz was affiliated with a white supremacist group.

* * *

There’s apparently an update from the ADL on the story.

UPDATE: On Thursday afternoon, following news reports of the alleged association between Cruz and the Republic of Florida, a member of an alt right discussion forum wrote that all of the claims were false and were part of an elaborate attempt to troll a network news reporter and other media outlets. At a press conference Thursday afternoon, the Broward County sheriff said a connection was “not confirmed at this time,” but that law enforcement was still investigating.

35 GAgal
February 15, 2018 at 8:31 pm

You know who I’d like to hear from now? Bill frikin’ Clinton.

Yup, me too. Either Bill or our Hillary, two very intelligent people that I greatly admire and have solutions, not just lame ideas.

Based on what i am hearing from students, family and teachers, Mango Moron is not going to be well received today.

@43, i thought the same thing about the National Guard being modern day well regulated militias. The idea was kind of reinforced when i watched an episode of Designated Survivor and the governor of a state refused an order from the temp prez. Fiction i know, but it seems to make sense that a strong state allegiance could supersede federal allegiance when the state believes the federal government has overstepped. I found DYB’s argument for repeal persuasive.

Ali Velshi did a great summation of the gun control issue today. He had read off the names of the victims earlier, with a few words from friends and family about each individual and he had a hard time doing so without breaking down in tears. I will see if i can find a clip of his summation. He is a gun owner, former Canadian citizen and he had a lot to say about the NRA. Gun lobby representing gun manufacturers, not gun owners, period. Apparently, they consider you a member if you purchase a gun, no dues or assent on your part required.

I also saw the tail end of a conversation with an ex marine who heads up a group of, or sponsors, military people running for office. Sounds like there are over one hundred ex active duty military who are going to run for office on their own dime. Their motivation: service to their country. One pundit asked if these potential candidates would be pro or anti gun contol. What an ass. A soldier who has seen combat knows what guns and bombs can do to humans, especially noncombatants like infants and children and I can’t imagine that they want to see that kind of violence here at home. The military guy didn’t take the bait and said his group is focusing on character and individuals who want to have open and constructive discussions on the issues to find real solutions. I was heartened, yet another aspect of the movement against the GOP and this rabbit hole we have fallen into.

IIRC, a number of legal minds have made the argument that back in the early days of our country it was exactly a citizen militia which was meant in that constitutional amendment — the citizens would get called up and organized by a government official when they were needed, similar to a state’s reserve guard.

“Free people” back then didn’t include women or blacks. And only (white of course) male property owners could vote back then. If you rented you had no vote, in order to keep the riff-raff in their place.

@44, oh yeah I’ve read that. I hope he’s forced to resign and a couple of Veterans haul his ass out of office.

That improper travel info came out last year, and I wondered why nothing more came of up. Another VA top official who was on that trip suddenly resigned to “spend more time with my family” shortly after that.

Shulkin has said he doesn’t want to privatize the VA, but you’d never know that from the policy changes coming down.

An unfortunate consequence of Shulkin’s improper behavior is that travel will be clamped down on even more for the rank and file. Clinicians who get invited to present something at a medical meeting? Pay your own way.

VA secretary David Shulkin’s chief of staff retiring amid travel report findings.

Shulkin confirmed the move to USA TODAY and said he intends to continue in his post and remains commited to fulfilling President Trump’s agenda in overhauling the VA.

So Shulkin’s chief of staff, who was most certainly was directed by her boss to make those grifter travel plans has to fall on her sword while her boss stays nice and comfortable.

Dayum! They can’t let us just coast into the weekends any longer can they?

Special counsel issues indictment against 13 Russian nationals over 2016 election interference

Well, you know what will be on all the CNN/MSNBC shows the rest of the day and tonight.

@53: cats said I found DYB’s argument for repeal persuasive.

Yes but read the Charles Pierce article I put in comment 17. The Repubs and Kock Bros have been hankering for a state-called C.C. for some time now. And there may be no limit as to what could be considered once they do so.

Ok folks, big breaking news: Mueller indicts 13 Russians from a troll farm for interfering in US elections by trying to suppress the vote.

“By February 2016, the suspects had decided whom they were supporting in the 2016 race. According to the indictment, Internet Research Agency specialists were instructed to “use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump — we support them.)”

Prosecutors say some Russian employees of the troll farm were chastised in September 2016 when they had a “low number of posts dedicated to criticizing Hillary Clinton” and were told it was “imperative to intensify criticizing” the Democratic nominee in future posts.”

@55: An unfortunate consequence of Shulkin’s improper behavior is that travel will be clamped down on even more for the rank and file


I added a new graphic over on the right concerning the NRA and contributions to politicians.

@58, Fredster I meant to go back to read the Pierce article and naturally forgot. I’m old. Just read it, that is so depressing. The GOP has the country and the constitution by the short hairs. Any chance the Blue Wave will give the Dems a majority at a CC?

@59, Rachel will be a must watch tonight!

@62, wow Jennifer Rubin said that???? Good thing it was Hillary that “lost” to the Russians (snark).

Good thread

@63, “more…resources than many Republican presidential campaigns.”

@66, I feel like crying my eyes out. After Mueller gets Trump’s ass hauled off to prison.

@64 cats said: Any chance the Blue Wave will give the Dems a majority at a CC?

You know… I have no idea how a C.C. called by the states would even operate. If I read it correctly, this C.C. would be made up of state legislators (?) and right now those are mostly in the hands of Republicans.

@68, what i was asking (in case anyone knows), will any of the 2018 elections involve state legislatures or is it just Congress critters? I remember discussions about flipping state seats (Virginia?). No idea what schedule those seats are on.

Sweet baby Jesus how many more can there be?!

Cats, I imagine that many states will have state and local elections. It is a huge one in my state, with a gubernatorial contest. Many states have 2 year terms in their assembly houses, so 2018 will be a big deal.

When I first saw the news and saw it was only Russians being indicted, I was afraid that this was it, that Mueller wasn’t going after any of dump’s crew.

@69: Truly I have no idea. I *think* some states have their state elections for state reps, etc in odd years. I’m sure your favorite search engine could give some info on that.

@74 socalannie> I don’t think that’s the case. And there was an additional announcement of a plea agreement with an American after the indictments. This one was for an American who sold stolen identities to these Russians. And Rosenstein’s announcement was seemingly careful to state that in this indictment no collusion with Americans was alleged.

I do think it’s remarkable that Wray and Rosenstein briefed Trump on this announcement early, to prevent Trump from “breaking the glass.” I do find that just galling when you consider that this is POTUS. He’s being treated like a 3 year old who may throw a tantrum. This is where we are.

@64 catscatscats> With Jennifer Rubin, sometimes it’s easy to forget how nuts these people have always been. But they’re on the right side of Trump.

This is funny. Faux news, with evil fool Hannity leading the way, are arguing that Mueller says that Russians also helped Hillary:

DYB @77, encouraging, thanks for that!

@72, YESSSS!! Thanks Lililam!

@82, thanks Fredster very kind of you to find that for me.

Now *this* is business acumen!

My guess: Jared Kushner for the lose.

@90, LOL! The ones whose parents won’t let them stand by a pot shop will be very mad at the ones who can.

New White House security clearance policy could put ‘bull’s eye’ on Kushner

Kushner has been present at meetings with the president where classified information was discussed and has access to the President’s Daily Brief, a digest of intelligence updates based on information from spies, satellites, and surveillance technology, according to people with knowledge of his access.

And apart from staff on the National Security Council, he issues more requests for information to the intelligence community than any White House employee, according to a person with knowledge of the situation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private discussions.

Experts said it is rare to have such a high level of interim security clearance for such a long period of time. It is particularly striking access for someone like Kushner, who has never served in government and has a complex history of financial transactions, business ownership and contacts and dealings with foreigners.

I smell snake.

Today’s news about the Russian indictments was very heartening. Now Drumpf cannot pretend the Russians didn’t attack our democracy. Maybe some Cult 45-ers will wake the hell up.

I am so amazed and proud of the kids standing up to the Mango Moron, too. I hope one of them confronts him on camera.

@92: Sure beats being in front of the local Wally World.

@93: he issues more requests for information to the intelligence community than any White House employee

And that should have never happened and needs to be stopped now.

@94: Maybe some Cult 45-ers will wake the hell up.

MB, I seriously doubt it. I don’t think anything will wake them up.

@94, and now it’s being spun that Trump didn’t want to acknowledge Russian help because he’d feel bad that he didn’t win on his own alleged awesomeness. Bullshit! Trump’s whole life has been about grifting, lying and cheating.

Don’t know how much there is to this.

@100: The dateline for that article was Sept. 2017. Let’s see if she says anything in the next few days or so.

@102, yes, I saw the date. It’s a very short article and I’d bet that HRC said something to the effect that if conspiracy went far enough to affect voting machine processes or totals she’d consider action, and the reporter/edit slapped a unwarranted (but hope-raising) headline on it.

Later on in the interview, Clinton herself said there have been “scholars and academics who argue challenging the results would be possible” but “I just don’t think we have a mechanism”.


In a brief Florida stop, Trump focuses on praising responders

POMPANO BEACH, FLA. — President Trump, as he often does while responding to natural disasters, mass shootings or unfolding crises, spent much of his time congratulating the responders instead of memorializing the victims of Wednesday’s school shooting during a visit here Friday.

“Incredible job, and everybody is talking about it,” Trump said of the response, with dozens of officers flanking a large circular conference room table on the fifth floor of the Broward County Sheriff’s Office.

Dead schoolchildren and teachers don’t even register with him.

@98: Say what? Luna is that a reliable source? If so, grift started earlier than we thought!

@100, collusion isn’t a crime but conspiracy is. My hope is that there is enough evidence to support a conclusion that the election was gamed, not fair or free, and is therefore illegitimate. Electoral margins were so thin and the popular vote so strongly in favor of the other candidate, bring on the constitutional crisis. I still don’t believe this is covered by the four corners of the Constitution. Yes, Fredster, I know I am tilting at wind turbines, but a girl can dream.

@101, but, but, but his Legacy.

In Sept, “Hillary Clinton has said she wouldn’t rule out contesting the result of the 2016 US Presidential election if Russian collusion is proven by special counsel Bob Mueller.”

I would hope this is what she would do if Mueller finds the proof. On the other hand, I would really worry more than ever that the deplorables with their NRA guns would threaten her life more than ever if she took over the Oval.

None of us would ever want to see her harmed in any way.

81 socalannie

Breaks my heart that she was *ucked over again and isn’t our President.

@105, cats, yes. And apparently there are other indications. A well-connected Russian saying he’d make “great President.” It’s hard to make sense and keep track of it all.

So is Shulkin just personally a grifter but policy-wise doing the right thing for the VA? Hard to say.

Noted the independent report that 90% of veterans got an appt for within 2 weeks from when they called. I doubt I could get that in the private sector.

@105, I followed Pe’ Resist’s link but it had expired so I had do the search myself which is mildly convoluted. In case the link expires after a set time, here’s the infor:

Goods and Services IC 035. US 100 101 102. G & S: Political action committee services, namely, promoting public awareness of political issues. FIRST USE: 20150412. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20150412
IC 036. US 100 101 102. G & S: Fundraising in the field of politics. FIRST USE: 20150522. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20150522
Standard Characters Claimed
Serial Number 85783371
Filing Date November 19, 2012
Current Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition October 29, 2013
Registration Number 4773272
Registration Date July 14, 2015
Owner (REGISTRANT) Trump, Donald J. INDIVIDUAL UNITED STATES 725 Fifth Avenue New York NEW YORK 10022

Attorney of Record Meredith M. Wilkes
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

[bold emphasis added]

@108, me too.

@111, that is interesting, Luna. Not only did he trademark the phrase in 2012, it was expressly for political purposes, but not used until 2015. The plot is so thickened, it is almost a solid.

@115, you go Fern! Well done.

DYB, check email when you have a chance.

@116, wasn’t that just wonderful of that lady?

@121: That’s one persistent doggo there. LOL

@119: I agree, look at all of that stuff again.

@121, my cats do that all the time, glad they are not dogs after watching that! Ouch.

@125: Indeed! That girl was rough. However, it also appears she thinks she’s a lapdog.

@121, lol, 2 of my cats do that too! Just like Cats’ cats! My Dobies would do that too but they were outside dogs (parents’ rules).

@115, Love the “Thoughts and Prayers” check. Kurt Eichenwald tweeted today that we should all send Thoughts & Prayers checks to every GOP in Congress.

I think Bernie should get them too.

Oh, Mr Mueller? Are you going to question Tad Devine anytime soon?

Bwhahaha! Couldn’t happen to a more deserving party!

Okay, right now, as of this moment, there’s no way in hell I believe I could go with this.

Biden, in public and private, tiptoes toward a 2020 run

@128: Oh just let it be enough seats to retake both houses.


@130 – Biden has a ton of baggage and is far too old. The same people pushing this are the ones who think the Dems should go after the WWC voters instead of building on the Hillary coalition. They’re wrong, and they will certainly know it as the new women come into the House in 2019.

@133: Agree completely. I’m sure the Repubs already have a good bit of oppo research on him.

Since we’re getting up there in comments, I’m scheduling my post to go a little earlier than normal for Sunday.

@138: Can’t disagree there, not one bit.

@137: Mmm, mmm, mmmmmmm. Yaas gurl!

Joe Biden will not run. Neither will Slanders. Ain’t gonna happen. But let the media and right wing focus on them. Distraction. My mind is fully on 2018 elections. If we don’t get at least the House, will 2020 matter? I don’t believe Trump will be a 2020 candidate either.

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Take the kids to work? NO!

That moment when *your* pussy gets grabbed

You go gurl! h/t Adam Joseph

“The” Book

Nice picture of our gal

Time till the Grifter in Chief is Gone

Hopefully soonerJanuary 21st, 2021
22 months to go.

Mueller Time!

Wise Words from Paul Ryan


Only the *best* politicans bought by the NRA

Marching for their lives

Perfect Picture

Rudy: oh shit the pee tape IS real!

Need Reminders?

Never too early to shop for Christmas

“Look this way”

Manafort’s Jail Photo

Indeed who?

Trump spam

IOW Dumb = Happy?

Simply Put


Awrite! Here’s your damned wall

Dems are coming for ya