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Activist Tuesday: Be Prepared…

Posted on: February 13, 2018

Hello Widdershins! Thank you for all the good wishes! Things are definitely getting better here chez MadamaB.

Last week was a doozy even in the Era of Drumpf and Republicans sans spinal cartilage, moral compasses or patriotism. The Rob Porter scandal has taken hold the way few of the multitudinous scandals of this benighted, horrible administration have managed to. And for the first time, unbelievable though it may seem, the Mango Meerkat’s approval rating has been seriously damaged amongst women.

The most recent Washington Post-ABC poll has found that approval from white women has fallen since the president’s first 100 days. While most white women voted for Trump in 2016, his approval rating has fallen 10 points since then, and strong disapproval of the president by this group rose 12 points, from 39 percent to 51 percent.

I would take issue with the verbiage that “While most white women voted for Trump in 2016,” and replace it with the wording, “While a slim majority of white women voted for Trump in 2016,” since 53% is hardly “most” in most peoples’ minds. But whatevs…the bottom line is that Drumpf is in trouble, again, and the sainted General Kelly, as well as pResidential serial-dating spokesmodel Hope Hicks, are in trouble with him. But even this major disaster could be eclipsed by a greater one, which has been brewing for many months now: the potential firing of Rod Rosenstein.

I have always been of the opinion that the Orange Crusher won’t dare fire Robert Mueller, and that his preferred tactic was to discredit the investigation. So far, that opinion has held at least partially true, especially with the myriad attacks the Republicans, and their enablers in the press, have been making against the FBI and DOJ. But that doesn’t mean Drumpf won’t take a page from Nixon’s book, and try to make the people overseeing the investigation fire him. He is a desperate, cornered animal, and may risk it all to try to escape the consequences of his actions. And everything from the release of the ridiculous dud called the Nunes Memo, to the recent resignation of Rachel Brand, is showing that this reckless and dangerous course of action might be imminent.

So what do we do if that happens?

WE TAKE TO THE STREETS!!! has organized a march that can take place at a moment’s notice, if Trump fires his way to find a Bork who will fire Mueller. The marches are called “Nobody is Above the Law,” and are organized all over the country. You can sign up here:

If the firing of Mueller happens before 2 pm, the local march will take place that day. If it happens after 2 pm, it will take place the day after. I’m ready to go. Are you?

In these dark times, we never know what may happen. Let’s make sure we are as prepared for action as we can be.

This is an open thread.


118 Responses to "Activist Tuesday: Be Prepared…"

I just signed up MB, thanks.

I hope we never have to attend this protest.

“While most white women voted for Trump in 2016,” and replace it with the wording, “While a slim majority of white women voted for Trump in 2016”

Hear, hear! I brought this same fact, and that most educated white women did not vote for Trump, up in a few places only to be jumped on by people holding that “all white women” were the problem. Yes, the Trump-voting white women are deplorable. However, don’t throw away the nearly half of white women who voted for Hillary.

@3, Same here, Shadow, but I’m ready to march also.

Multiple outlets, including NYTimes and CNN, had a running clock when candidate Hillary Clinton didn’t have a press-conference in 2016. Nobody seems to be paying attention to Trump…

Great job, ladies!

D – yet another faux scandal the media jumped on…

Saw this pic on Twitter, couldn’t help sharing it.

This is a clear 2020 strategy for Gillibrand.

@6- When looking at the twitter link above, there was a link to an ad for Trump toilet tissue in Mexico. It occurred to me that there is one silver lining to all of this- remember when the republicans claimed they needed to reach out to diverse populations in order to “grow” and be relevant into the 21st century? Eons ago. They can kiss that sentiment goodbye for generations or forever. As such, they will hopefully soon be extinct, but, unfortunately not until after a pretty scary death rattle quiets down.

I’m so freakin’ over Gilibrand, she wants to take Hillary’s place. Ain’t gonna happen.

6 madamab

OMG, that photo is so horrible, and his ex-supermodel wife has sex with him??? Gack……

And he takes pills to grow his hair?

@7- I am sorry, but gag me with a fork.

Yeah, Gillibrand is trying to embrace the Bernie Bro talking point that all corporate PAC money is bad. I am very disappointed in her.

The best way to make sure Rump has a second term is to run any of these give-away-the-farm snake-oil-salesmen/women:

Kennedy III

Shadowfax, I know we’re you’re coming from, but I think you’re being a bit too severe. Yes, Burnie would lose it all. True. The others I’m not so sure about. And even though I’m cross with all three of them for various reasons, every single one of them would be worth working hard for if it could rid us of that Dump of garbage currently squatting in the White House.

Gillibrand thinks she’ll win over Bernie voters: that’s absurd. She won’t. They already hate her for being a neoliberal corporatist centrist shill. That’s what they literally think of her. They will not vote for her. Ever. They will vote for another Jill Stein. Not Gillibrand. Meanwhile, she has already alienated the Clinton wing. Some will come around, but I think many many many won’t. I don’t understand what she is doing because it seems like such an obviously losing campaign already. She’s losing the people who would be her natural allies and is not placating those who dislike her. This is so dumb!

Also, I’ve lost confidence in Schumer as Dem Leader in the Senate. So our NY options are kind of shitty.

Someone like Tammy Duckworth may have broad appeal- likely not over Bernie’s crew, but many former republicans if trump still exists. She exudes an authenticity that someone like Gillibrand or Warren lost many moons ago.

I’m sorry to report that the recent rumors of my recovery are greatly exaggerated but I’m very happy that Shadowfax and Mr. madamab are on the mend!

Oh Sue, how are you doing? I am sorry that things haven’t turned around for you yet, but they will. Sending good thoughts your way.

14 quixote

Sorry, but I think these people don’t have what it takes to be President and don’t have the votes. Hopefully, someone much more qualified will run. If not Hillary, then who?

Sue, sorry to hear that! Are all those different meds they’ve been giving you not helping? You must feel like a guinea pig!

The problem is all those potential candidates are not well rounded and ready like Hillary was. She makes them all look like duds. Then again, Obama had no clue what he was doing when he was elected…

Israeli police find ‘sufficient evidence’ to indict Benjamin Netanyahu


@14: Well said!

@19: and don’t have the votes

How on EARTH can you even begin to say something like that? What do you base that on?

New Randy Rainbow.

@17: I’m so sorry to hear that Sue. If you wish, please keep us informed on how you’re doing.

@Luna: Version 2.3

Tammy Duckworth! That’s a brilliant idea. Of course. Why didn’t I think of that? She’d be great. Except if the Dump is still around — God forbid — I guess she’ll have to respectfully address him as President* Bone Spurs.

And the Bernouts can go pound sand.

I would take issue with the verbiage that “While most white women voted for Trump in 2016,” and replace it with the wording, “While a slim majority of white women voted for Trump in 2016,” since 53% is hardly “most” in most peoples’ minds.

I would also take issue with your wording and replace it with the wording: “While a slim majority of white women who voted voted for Trump in 2016.”

That said, I still think too many white women voted for the orange mango and I was very disappointed with that.

@29: Yep Branjor agree because numbers don’t lie. As many women as voted for HRC on both coasts, there were plenty in those other states who voted for the vulgar yam. It’s sad but there it is.

@14 – I totally agree. I am sure that by the time 2020 comes around, the world will look very different to many of us. I know I am currently planning to vote D till the end of time.

Branjor – great point. It makes white women look even worse, sadly, but alas, we have to own how terribly that demographic did in 2016. My demographic!! Damn it!

@31 madamab No, you still don’t understand me. It makes white women look better, not worse. 53% of all white women WHO VOTED is a lot fewer than 53% of ALL white women. I don’t know why this isn’t obvious. However, I am still disappointed that that many of us who voted voted for Dump.

I am going to rephrase this yet again, as I seem to have trouble expressing myself: 53% of white women WHO VOTED is a lot less than 53% of ALL white women. People who say “53% of white women voted for Trump!” are just unthinkingly perpetrating an inaccurate and prejudiced assertion about a group they are prejudiced against to begin with. But I *am* disappointed that even a slim majority of those of us who voted voted for him.

Branjor, I understand, but we all should have voted. Not voting doesn’t make us look good. I guess that’s where we disagree. If all white women had voted, I am sure we would have Hillary instead of Drumpf.

Branjor, I like your point about being specific that it’s not “all” white women, but the ones who voted. But I’m fine with any description that points out that it’s not “most.” “Most” to me means at least 75%.

Those people who didn’t vote in 2016 have gotten a good lesson in what happens when abdicate your voice. Hope most of them have been shocked out of their apathy.

@27, Fredster, Quick! Where’s my sledge hammer!

I understand that, madamab, but there is NO demographic in which ALL members voted. The deficiency was in democratic voters, both male and female, while repubs of both sexes came out in greater percentages. Black voters, while almost all of the ones who voted voted for Hillary, did not come out in the numbers they came out for Obama. And many were prevented from voting by voter suppression measures. Many white male dem voters who had supported Bernie sat out the election, defected to Stein or, worse, to Trump.

@22, Shadow, can we get those Israeli police to come here and take a look at Trump?

@35 Luna

“Most” to me means at least 75%.

Yes, 53% certainly isn’t most.

Those people who didn’t vote in 2016 have gotten a good lesson in what happens when abdicate your voice. Hope most of them have been shocked out of their apathy.

I hope so too!

@ 2020 candidates — I’m not excited or even interested in anyone yet. No one, and absolutely n.o. o.n.e. has what our Hillary has. Nor will they in 2020. So while there are some good possibilities out there, and I’ll work to get the Dem into the WH in 2020, my heart’s not in it now.

I like Tammy Duckworth. I’d also add to the list above: Adam Schiff, and Ted Lieu. Any why not my governor Jay Inslee, who’s (usually) a staunch liberal? He and his admin staff have been working to keep contraception in the healthcare plans avail in WA, he’s directed the state AG to file suit if necessary over internet neutrality, state marijuana regulations, keeping ICE at bay, and against offshore oil drilling. He’s also been active in facilitating regional alliances for trade with other countries (since we can’t count on Trump to do anything helpful).

Some more good news from special election land!

@27 Uhm, those things are going to kill us all!

@25, Fredster, Randy Rainbow always helps my mood!

Ha and Booker is joining in:

Did you folks follow the latest hire – and within hours fire – of a new columnist at the NY Times? I’ve never heard of her, but someone named Quinn Norton was announced as a new regular op-ed columnist. Then people started digging up her old tweets in which she proudly says she is friends with Nazis (though she disagrees with them) and then uses the N-word a bunch of times. So the Times announced they had no idea (they don’t know how to do twitter searches???) and fired her same day. NYTimes is a mess.

@45, better than the WH on dealing with results of background checks, but that’s an abysmally low bar.

@44, DYB. Hmmm. “Corporate” PACs. Wonder exactly what is meant by that.

I also hope it won’t handicap any of them compared with the Rethugs. Campaign financing is really screwed up, but I don’t want Dems to lose because of some purity hangup.

@25 OMG Randy Rainbow singing Tammy Wynette is priceless!

Trump administration wants to sell National and Dulles airports, other assets across U.S.

…said Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, particularly in an environment where “unfortunately, there’s not enough money to be able to pay for all the infrastructure needs of our country.” [Need those deductions for private jets! And tax cuts for the Koch bros!]

“we should also not discriminate” against private firms. [My buddies need more assets to screw up!]

The George Washington Memorial Parkway and the Baltimore-Washington Parkway, both run by the National Park Service, are listed as “examples of assets for potential divestiture.” The Washington Aqueduct, which supplies drinking water in the District and in Northern Virginia, is on the list. Power transmission assets from the Tennessee Valley Authority; the Southwestern Power Administration, which sells power in Arkansas, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Texas; the Western Area Power Administration; and the Bonneville Power Administration covering the Pacific Northwest, were also cited for potential targets for a sale. [A Trump hotel on top of Mt. Shasta! Private entrepreneurs can provide water really cheap! Nothin’ to worry about!]

Administration officials say that it is wrong to characterize the more than $100 billion in future shortfalls in the Highway Trust Fund, reflected in their budget proposal, as cuts. They say they are still trying to find a solution to that structural problem and have not rejected the idea of a gasoline tax increase.[Gas tax? Hey, just get your own jet instead.]

Quelle’ surprise. Selling America off as parts. [snark added]

@Sue, that’s too bad that you are still on the sick list. Hope things improve quickly for you!

@49 Luna> OMG, that’s insane. They want to sell a company that provides drinking water? Remember when the CEO of Nestle said that people were not entitled to fresh water? Yeah… I wonder if Nestle wants to buy a water plant.

Corker has been sucking up to Trump, including having dinner with Ivanka.

@49: Oh Lawdy! National and Dulles in private hands. I can see them jacking up the landing fees. “Sir your ticket include a $35.00 landing fee for landing at National airport. Well sir, you don’t have to go to that airport.”. Except that almost all of the domestic flights to D.C. go to National, so yeah you *do* have to use that airport. That or go to BWI.

@53: Don’t know the guy SIEU endorsed but if I were in Cali I’d still go with Feinstein.

Honestly, why do people fly United any longer?

@57 Fredster> I’m afraid of flying anything and that’s not helping!

Feinstein was ready to retire before Trump and this Russia investigation came along, of which she sits on an important committee. She’s seen the info and wants to see it through. Same with Pelosi, who said she planned to retire after Hillary won, then Trump came along and she thinks she needs to stay and fight.

@58: I share your feelings there DYB.


@59: They both need to stay right where they are.

Not taking money from PACs in 2020 is going to be a yuge problem. They should be safe doing it for their Senate re-elections though. Can’t imagine Gillibrand and Booker will have any trouble there.

Sue, so sorry to hear you are still ill! Hang in there.

United is the worst. I do everything I can to avoid flying that airline.

Oh Randy Rainbow!, What a lovely palate cleanser before work. 😂

Thanks all for the good wishes. Both my husband and I are in the antibiotic taper down phase. Take my loving advice: don’t ever get C-diff. The top picture had special significance for me!

59 GAgal

Absolutely correct, GAgal!

Feinstein and Palosi are hero’s for not retiring and they stay to continue to hold Trump back. They still have bigger coconuts than most of the faux folks in congress.

The SIEU can kiss the lady’s rings, and take a hike for trying to run strong, older women out of office because of their freakin’ age.

Experience over youth, except for Sandcrab and Ol’ Joe, is how I feel.

Sue, did you ever figure out how you and your husband got it? Water supply or somewhere you both ate? Wishing you the best, and sending positive thoughts for you both.

Not taking money from PACs in 2020 is going to be a yuge problem.

If they run for Prez, they will be in trouble. Not everyone they need help from is going to donate $27 at the drop of a hat. I wonder where the $27 figure came from. Does it stand for ‘free pot’???? 😉

Did you hear that Rump’s attorney, Cohen paid Stormey, $130,000, money out of his own pocket, just before the election, even though Rump and Stormy denied anything ever happened between them.

Cohen goes into hock to pay a hooker that claims she never had sex with Rump. This is the worst coverup story I have ever heard.

Are these people really as dumb as they appear to be, or worse???

Sorry, I must have messed up the closed brackets on the bold text above.

I read an interesting point on a diary over at daily kos. Christopher Wray testified they gave their initial report on Porter to the White House in March and the final report in July. In March and most of July (until the 28th) Reince Prebius was the COS before he was fired, so that info would have gone through him. Is that why he was fired? Did he recommend they get rid of Porter and maybe Kushner, too?

I think they may try to scapegoat Prebius in Gowdy’s ‘investigation’. That and drag the FBI as usual.

@53, primary Feinstein? Shame on SEIU. Feinstein’s got experience and she’s got guts. She released the Steele dossier. Primarying her is like protest voting 3rd party, and look how well that worked out.

I hope Feinstein’s constituents send the wanna-be a humiliating defeat.

Shadowfax, no. The only clue is that we were both taking amoxicillin for dental issues and that could be it but I also had parasites (barf) and campylobacter which is always associated with food borne illness and contaminated water.

@68, if I remember my infectious diseases right, it can be from eating contaminated produce — whether from a grocery store, or a restaurant meal — so pretty hard to track back to the source.

Kushner’s gargantuan debt

Jared Kushner, a White House aide and President Donald Trump’s son-in-law, appears to have drawn more money out of three separate lines of credit in the months after he joined the White House last year, a newly released document shows.

Recent revisions to the financial disclosure form filed by Kushner’s wife, Ivanka Trump, bumped up each of those debts to a range of $5 million to $25 million.

Versions of the couple’s disclosures made public in July valued those debts at $1 million to $5 million apiece. The loans were extended by three banks: Bank of America, New York Community Bank and Signature Bank. . . . One debt did drop in value as Ivanka Trump’s form was revised: the amount owed on a Visa account went down to a range of $50,001 to $100,000, from $100,001 to $250,000.

Oh, who amongst us hasn’t forgotten about a $25 MILLION debt once in a while? Something is very wrong here and getting worse every day. Can you imagine anyone in Obama’s administration with a $25 M debt passing scrutiny? The GOP is complicit up to their necks.


((Sue)), darn, so many ways to get this illness, it can easily be spread by touching a doorknob or anything public. I hope these antibiotics work for you and your poor colon gets a good rest soon.

73 Absolutely Luna, I will never stop voting for Feinstein.


Happy Valentine’s Day . ❤

@76 Also, who amongst us hasn’t paid down our Visa to the $50,000 – $100,000 range whilst securing three lines of credit?

Democrats are looking to embrace the #MeToo moment and rally women to push back on President Donald Trump in the midterms—and they don’t want Bill Clinton anywhere near it.

In a year when the party is deploying all their other big guns and trying to appeal to precisely the kind of voters Clinton has consistently won over, an array of Democrats told POLITICO they’re keeping him on the bench. They don’t want to be seen anywhere near a man with a history of harassment allegations, as guilty as their party loyalty to him makes them feel about it.

The party is doomed with this bs thinking…

Bill and Hillary pushed out makes me very angry.

It’s Valentine’s Day…and some crazy white man, most likely with a history of spousal abuse (that’s me guessing), shot up a Florida high school.


Horrible, how old was this man? I thought it was a student that was the shooter.

Christ in a twitter feud. BillC does NOT have a history of harassment. He has a history of not being faithful to Hillary. Which is something for her to get upset about and not actually anybody else’s business. And he’s the world’s best campaigner. And it would be a chance to explain the difference between screwing around (both want it) and harassment (a crime). Teachable moment. But nooooo. Let’s be as stupid as possible about this.

Between the vows of poverty and not distinguishing sex and crime, I can’t keep track of how many of their own extremities the Dems are tying to shoot at once.

86 quixote

I couldn’t agree more.

The Dems that want to run for office are acting like idiots. Seems like the adults don’t want to run, at least not yet. I am waiting………

Let’s all be sure to send our thoughts and prayers to Parkland, Florida because that strategy has been so effective.

Thanks for this post MB, we will be joining the protest. I hope your hubs is on the mend. I know frequent nosebleeds can be serious.

{{{Sue}}} Am so sorry you’re going through this. Hope you and your hubs can conquer this wretched bug soon.

@88, well said.

Luna @40, agree with you!

I saw a Fox headline that Bill will be kept off the campaign trail. But it was Fox, so unclear how true. I did see another headline somewhere that Hillary planned to campaign. No doubt there are some who would tell her to take up knitting and move on (like the Politico piece just a few days ago.)

I was also thinking of the MeToo movement and Franken. A lot of people are angry at Gillibrand for pushing Franken out (she was the first to call on him to resign, right?) The Pure Ones are naturally accusing anyone unhappy with Gillibrand on that issue of being misogynists. Ok, but something I noticed: for a while there a new woman accused Franken of pinching her waist 20 years ago every week. They were coming out in droves. Until he announced he’d resign. And suddenly – they all vanished. Not a peep. Quite the coincidence, isn’t it? No more complaints about Franken… It’s almost as if it was a coordinated effort to get him out of Congress.

The latest shooting I think was done by a former student, someone who had been banned from the school previously. Last count was at least 17 dead.

Everyone sending thoughts and prayers, this is not the right time to discuss gun control.

Pizzagate gunman was sentenced to 4 years in prison. Why isn’t Alex Jones in prison too?

I really like Chris Murphy. I’d like to see him consider the Presidency at some point.

The school shooting –

Did you see the phone video of the shooting inside the classroom taken by a student that was on the floor with other students?

It is terrifying, those poor kids. So sad.
CNN has been showing it.

DYB @45, NYT just disgusts now.

So, this “not taking corporate PAC money means only PAC money from corporations right? Didn’t Hillary start a PAC to help elect Democrats? And don’t some environmental groups have PACs? Are Gellibrand & Booker saying all PACs are bad?

Stormy Daniels believes she’s now free to discuss her alleged sexual encounter with Trump.

Let’s see how long it takes Mrs. Rump to move back to her tower or the Rumpster pays her big bucks to stay and threatens to take their son if she leaves.

There must be a truck load of $hit hitting the fan in the White House right now, that it will have to be decontaminated and repainted when the Rump’s are sent packing.

Sniff, sniff….OMG!

Speaking of NY Times disgusting, Ken Vogel attacked Corey Booker directly for his no-PAC statement. It’s really bizarre and so astonishingly inappropriate. But Vogel did that to Hillary too.

BTW, while Gillibrand and Booker reject PAC money (whatever that means,) how much did the Kochs announce they’ll spend? Now double that because you know they’re not announcing the full extend of their involvement. Now add Mercer money.

Also, someone pointed out that Vogel’s attack on Booker isn’t entirely honest (shocker!) The money Vogel is talking about is personal donations, meaning people who work on Wall St, which for a NJ Senator would’t be unusual. That wasn’t PAC or corporate money in any way, but personal donations by people who happen to work on Wall St.

Rebekah Mercer just published an op-ed in WSJ, which I can’t read as it’s behind a paywall. She says people are wrong about her, she’s really nice and believes only in good things. LOL

Wow. Schiff ain’t playing no more. He says there is an abundance of non-public evidence showing collusion. I’d like to see this interview if it was on camera. He had a lot to say here.

Schiff, from California, added on Wednesday that the intelligence committee had also seen evidence pointing towards money laundering involving Trump’s circle, but had been hindered by the partisan deadlock that has paralysed its investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

He said: “It is a tried and true maxim. As a former prosecutor, you follow the money. We have not been able to adequately follow the money. And I think the allegations on money laundering are credible enough that we ought to, in the exercise of due diligence, see if this was one of the other vectors of the Russian active measures campaign.”

Trump has yet to nominate a head to the Office of Science and Technology, but hey, we got this guy… (how many things are wrong with this picture?)

That means the job falls to Michael Kratsios, the deputy assistant in the Office of Science and Technology Policy. At least for now. Kratsios graduated from Princeton in 2008 with a political science degree and a focus on Hellenic studies. He previously served as chief of staff to Peter Thiel, the controversial Silicon Valley billionaire and Trump ally.

@102 Decontaminated? If we don’t get rid of this scum soon, we may as well skip the fumigation, burn it to the ground, salt the Earth and build a new White House elsewhere!

@83 & 86, The purist Dems who think they can do without Bill Clinton are bullshitting themselves. Like quixote said, Bill wasn’t a harasser. He had a consensual affair while in the W.H. Yes, he was a heel for it. But he wasn’t threatening violence or locking women in his office.

@DYB, “It’s almost as if it was a coordinated effort to get him out of Congress….”


106 & 107

GaGal, you are cracking me up.

“…but hey, we got this guy.” I thought you were going to say, ” He at least finished high school.”

What do you guys think about this? Written by Little Marco and a dem. Not sure it goes far enough:

Glad to see there are so many Bill Clinton supporters here.

111 socalannie

I agree, they didn’t go far enough.

I think they need to deal with what Russia did in 2016 first, and a slap on the hand isn’t good enough.

They should get no free pass for what they did, and are still doing. Stop all trade with them, period.

If this is accurate, wow. 3% of Americans own 50% of the guns?!? That is really f’ed up. They are really f’ed up.

@111 Annie, I think a DETER law is toothless, especially with this administration. From a CNN link there:

The DETER Act would bar foreign governments or agents working on their behalf from purchasing adverts to influence an election or using social media to spread false information to Americans.

They’ll have to take that up with Facebook, Twitter, Google , etc.

It would also explicitly bar foreign governments from hacking, releasing or modifying voter registration databases and campaign emails, or from blocking access to websites that provide information about polling locations.

How’s that? What are they gonna do? Arrest Putin?

And should intelligence officials determine that Russia has once again tried to shape an election, the bill calls for severe sanctions on Russia’s financial, energy, defense and mining sectors to be implemented within 10 days.

First of all, notice ‘once again’ and ‘tried’. (That may be CNN’s take) Second, Congress and Senate voted 500+/ 5 to impose existing sanctions and Trump refuses. The SOS has effectively shut down the sanctions office. How will this bill remedy that? It sounds good, but it’s toothless. DETER means to prevent. If they think this will prevent or discourage Putin – with Trump in office – then I’m disappointed in Van Hollen. It won’t.

Also, a reminder about Rubio. I don’t remember the timeline, what happened in what order. (Chaos) But during the election he said he didn’t plan to run again. WikiLeaks released the DNC/Podesta hacks and pundits were having a field day. One of them, gleefully, stuck a microphone in Rubio’s face thinking he would attack Hillary. He practically spat in their faces. He said ‘that is illegally hacked material and I will not comment on it. Next time it could be us.’ He admitted they had hacked his email too and we found out much later the RNC and other Repubs had been hacked but was nothing was released. Shortly thereafter, he changed his mind and said he was running again. Hmm…

@117 GAgal, that is interesting about Rubio. I am waiting desperately for someone to get their hands on all the Republican emails and release them. Somebody must!

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