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Monday Quick Post

Posted on: September 27, 2016


Policy? You want policy? Here’s your policies

Good Monday Widdershins!


This will be a quick post just to get us to the live-blogging which we’ll be doing tonight.  Mb is occupied right now with real world things so we’ll just make do with this post until this evening.

So have you ever asked “Gee I wonder if Hillary Clinton has a policy or position paper on (fill in the blank)?”.  On most likely any position that a voter might want to know where she stands, there is a position paper for that issue.  Paying for college education – check.  Something along the lines of helping to pay for childcare or rebuilding our infrastructure?  Check and check.

In fact, Hillary probably has more position papers than most of us would truly want to read. You say you haven’t heard about many or any of these policies?  Well that could partly be because of this bizarro-world election we’ve had.

Take the education policy she has devised.  Hillary came up with what the campaign called “The New College Compact”.

The goal, making public college debt-free, was simple. The mechanics were not. Families would pay “realistic” fees based on income, with poorer families paying nothing at all. Students would contribute directly through work-study programs. Washington would provide most of the money, but states would have to kick in some funds and hold the line on tuition increases. The feds would also crack down on for-profit colleges where too many students were getting substandard degrees and defaulting on their loans. All in all, the proposal would require some $350 billion in new spending over 10 years, which Clinton planned to pay for by raising taxes on the rich. James Kvaal, a former Obama administration adviser who consulted on the initiative, described it in an email as “a once-in-a-century change in the relationship between the federal government and colleges, on par with the Morrill Act (which created land grant colleges in the 19th Century) and the G.I. Bill.”

Hillary’s team of advisers and wonks was so excited about this and knew that when it was released there would be lots and lots of questions.

A few days before Clinton’s speech, O’Leary convened a final conference call to discuss media strategy. Anticipating a lot of attention, she instructed the team to be ready by the phones. Clinton delivered her address at a high school in Exeter, New Hampshire, and afterward, held a press conference in the gym. She got just one query about the plan.

And you know why she got exactly one question?  It was because of the talking yam having uttered his infamous comments about Megyn Kelly .

Earlier that week, Trump had described Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly as having “blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever” during a debate, and so Clinton was grilled on whether Trump should apologize to Kelly, whether he had a problem with women, and what Clinton thought of the fact that Trump had retweeted someone who called Kelly a bimbo.

Yes, Trump’s description of Kelly and then what Hillary thought about it was all the media was interested in.  Hillary, her wonks, and advisers had come up with a policy and plan to relieve one of the most pressing issues for families trying to figure out how they will pay for their children’s college education.  And NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN all wanted to know her thoughts on Megyn Kelly’s degree of being a bimbo.

I mentioned earlier that Hillary had Seven Pillars of things she wanted to work on in her first term and here they are:

  • The Economy
  • Work and family
  • Education
  • Criminal Justice
  • Health care
  • Financial reform
  • Immigration

Will she be able to accomplish these things?  Will she be able to accomplish even one of these things?  Who knows right now.  As it’s stated in the article:

Clinton and her team are not delusional—they know that passing her agenda would get very messy, very fast. Even if she manages to pull off a decisive victory, Democrats almost certainly won’t take the House. They may not even regain the Senate.

So we know that she knows that, unlike Obama, she won’t walk into the White House and having eager and willing partners on Capitol Hill.  Still, she has made a jobs/infrastructure bill and immigration her two top priorities after she’s elected.

Okay I said this would be short.  The article is a great piece to read although it is longish.  Go take a look at it and by the time you’re finished we’ll be getting ready for the debate tonight.

One note:  It’s a HuffPo piece so save your time and don’t bother with the comments.

See y’all for the debate tonight!



28 Responses to "Monday Quick Post"

Thanks Fredster! This debate is going to be yuuuuuuge. I’m psyched, and I think Hillary is ready for the unexpected.

@1: I’ve had that piece bookmarked for about a week or so. This post barely scratched the surface of the article but it made me so angry. Here she is with a ton of policy and position papers out there and many of them very progressive. But because of the nature of this campaign,the other candidate, plus C.D.S., hardly any of this has gotten mentioned.

Well, well. WaPo and the talking heads have already decided Trump wins the debate “expectations” game just by showing up, standing, breathing and being sentient.

“I think that Trump is buoyed by the very low expectations. This is a guy who’s never debated one-on-one … So if he does passably, we’ll all say he won,” a Politico reporter said last week.

“I do think that the stakes are much higher in this debate and all the debates for Hillary Clinton,” CNN’s Dana Bash said on the air recently. “Because she is a seasoned politician. She is a seasoned debater. Yes, we saw Donald Trump in the primaries debate for the first time, but he is a first-time politician. So for lots of reasons—maybe it’s not fair, but it’s the way it is—the onus is on her.”

Really Dana Bash, really? How about this instead? Donald Trump wanted to get into the game where the big boys and big girls play. He wanted in that game and he’s there now. Why isn’t he being held to the same expectations of any other candidate? God forbid he gets elected and has his first meeting with another head of state. Are y’all gonna grade him on the curve in a meeting with the British Prime Minister or French President?

Jeebus but this just makes me sick.

Oh my Lord, I saw this guy on schmoe this morning and had no idea who he was.

This guy doesn’t do polls or anything like that. He has keys.

Rather, he uses a system of true/false statements he calls the “Keys to the White House” to determine his predicted winner.

Wow! I got confused there and thought he was talking about the keys to the Seven Kingdoms.

Great article and post Fredster.

That “Keys” guy hedges his prediction pretty hard toward the end. He knows it is going bust. The “Fix” is also Cillizza’s sandbox — I wouldn’t expect anything less from them.

Dana Bash just exasperates me. I just find her tiring. I’ve tried to “like” her, but I just can’t get over her penchant for obvious obliviousness.

@5: Yes he did hedge big time because I think this election doesn’t fit the mold of previous ones.

Dana Bash…I sat there reading that and thought “well you’re a member of the fourth estate, why don’t you do something about it like not letting Trump slide.

There is just sooo much that could be said about this but I hardly know where to begin.

I think my favorite quote was this:

“We wanted to make an example and crack down on clown-related activity in our city” – Rainbow City Police Chief

I’ll be here! I’m looking forward to the debate – except for having to look at and listen to Trump for an hour and a half. Hillary’s gonna kick some Orange bee-hind. I think for the most part, Trump will keep his act together except for turning red in the face. The moderator may bother him as much as Hillary.

I can’t wait to see him try to fill two minutes with coherent policy plans without repeated half sentences over and over. I don’t think he can do it. Then let’s see the media try to ignore that and talk about his “presidential look” instead.

It will also be interesting how he handles rebuttals. Will he know when he’s lost the argument and just needs to shut up and move on? I doubt it.

I can’t stand to look at anything the pundits are saying today. Sure would be a good day for them to have an update on the Trump U fraud case. Or any of his other scams…I’m just not buying it that they are really tied in the polls. Just doesn’t make any sense.

Great post Fredster, although it made me sad for the embarrassing state of this country, and made me hate the media more than I already do.

Holt better not let trump get away with not answering the questions.

@7, this was satire, right?

I watched a clip from yesterday with an entire MSNBC panel discussing how bad it could be for Hillary if she showed up too prepared with too many detailed policies. Hilarious. Then Sally Cohn’s turn came around and she snapped them back to reality. “OMG!! Our next president is OVER prepared to be President! What ever will we do?”

@13, this is why I now hate the media. Used to love the news.

@7, for a good part of my life I was a fugitive on the lam as a “child in need of supervision.”

Is this just another Facebook fad?

A lot of the morning on CNN was devoted to discussion about how much Trump lies. The media,came out last week in force and said his percentage of lies to truth is about 70/30. He lies an average of once every three minutes. Hillary, about once every 12 minutes. She is one of the most honest politicians ever.

Another big piece of the discussion was whether or not Trump would be graded on a curve. The tide has somewhat turned, I think.

Also, I am pretty sure Drumpf will melt down. He has the attention span of a hummingbird on speed. No teleprompter will save him from looking like the spoiled, narcissistic child he is.

What is it with Mike Pence and “broad shoulders”?

He says it a little too often for a straight guy. He stands “shoulder to shoulder,” “Trump is broad shouldered,” or “We offer broad shouldered leadership.”

What is it with the broad shoulders?

A Pence interview is partly cloudy with a hundred percent chance of “broad shoulders.”

Give it a rest dude.

@17 – That reminds me of all the Republican men who used to talk about how George W. Bush looked in jeans. Uh guys, I’ve seen a lot better.

Hillary’s jackets have shoulder pads. Does that count?

New post up for THE DEBATE!

annie@12: Oh no that wasn’t satire at all. It was a serious article.

MB@16: Oh they’ll definitely grade him on a curve. Check the link in my comment @3.

Prolix: Should have left the debate post up. This one wasn’t really designed to last until Wednesday. 🙄

There is a quick poll about the debate over on the side.

Hey, Fredster,

Just a nerdly note: when I click on the Home place, it doesn’t shoot me to Prolux’s excellent post, but back here. Oh, wells.

And I so wanted to say somewhere that tRump proved himself to be a “basket case” tonight. Oh, wells, at least -I- said it first, so far’s I know.

@25: Pat that’s’ because Prolix swapped the posts around after the debate. Here ya go:

Also, if you look over on the right you’ll see a list of previous posts. It’s right under the recent comments.

I think he should have just left that one up because I’m sure we’ll have more thoughts on the debate.

Oh well, use that link above and you will then be able to add your comment.

Thanks for the help-desking. I do so hate it when computer screens don’t faithfully reproduce reality.

Now that I’ve got “basket case” out of my system, though, I think I’ll refrain from posting it again. (I did expect at least a tsh boom, though 😛 )

@27: No problem. 🙂

I was reading some articles on the debate from WaPo and NYT. Just trying to get sleepy enough to crash. My hours have gotten off kilter once again. (sigh)

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