Those lying liars and those lies they tell
Posted September 30, 2015on:
Good afternoon Widdershins!
I think we’ve all come to the conclusion that watching Morning schmoe has become an exercise…not so much in futility but more of an arm exercise because the show has become something that makes you want to throw things at your teevee.
Not being satisfied with deliberately mouthing untruths about Hillary Clinton’s email server, they have now gone to the point where they will purposefully edit out anything that may sound favorable to Hillary.
Recently Washington Post columnist David Ignatius was on the show and attempted to provide, not so much a defense of Clinton’s actions, but rather an explanation that no, she did not do anything wrong or criminal, and in his WaPo column he explained (but apparently not clearly enough to #socklessdeadintern and #drunkmika) that there was no similarity to the situation with David Petraeus’ situation.
Potential criminal violations arise when officials knowingly disseminate documents marked as classified to unauthorized officials or on unclassified systems, or otherwise misuse classified materials. That happened in two cases involving former CIA directors that are cited as parallels for the Clinton e-mail issue, but are quite different. John Deutch was pardoned in 2001 for using an unsecured CIA computer at his home to improperly access classified material; he reportedly had been prepared to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. David Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor in April for “knowingly” removing classified documents from authorized locations and retaining them at “unauthorized locations.” Neither case fits the fact pattern with the Clinton e-mails.
But going back to my first item, when Ignatius was on the show, in the initial segment Ignatius said:
“As I talked to a half dozen of lawyers who do nothing but this kind of work, they said they couldn’t remember a case like this, where people informally and inadvertently draw classified information into their phone conversations or their unclassified server conversations, where there had been a prosecution.
(Bolding in the original C&L article)
Now, #socklessdeadintern wasn’t happy with this so he had to add his own little twists and turns:
JOE SCARBOROUGH: David, so you have over the past week or two turned a bit in some of your editorial, in some of your op-eds, you’ve said you would rather hear Hillary’s policy positions than more talk about the servers, you said you don’t think she faces any criminal prosecution. You haven’t exactly said nothing is here, move along, move along, but you’ve certainly —
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Getting tired of it, which is what they’re hoping.
(thatagirl #drunkmika!) -my comment
SCARBOROUGH: — Yeah, I mean aren’t you playing into what the Clinton sort of scandal response team wants, which is so much stuff comes at you that at some point you just say, “Come on, let’s just move on.”
DAVID IGNATIUS: Joe, I’ve tried to respond as a journalist but in particular I’ve tried to look at what is a real prosecutable offense here. There are violations clearly both of administrative procedure and probably technically of law and how classified information was handled. As I talked to a half dozen of lawyers who do nothing but this kind of work, they said they couldn’t remember a case like this, where people informally and inadvertently draw classified information into their phone conversations or their unclassified server conversations, where there had been a prosecution.
But #sockless…still not happy, has to keep harping on his preconceived ideas.
SCARBOROUGH: But this isn’t happenstance. This is a very calculated move to say if you want to communicate with the Secretary of State, as Edwards Snowden said, whether you are a foreign diplomat or a spy chief from another country or a leader of another country, which they all did, you’ve got to come to this unsecured server, whether it is in Colorado or wherever it is, and there is a standard in the U.S. Code under prosecutions for this sort of thing which is gross negligence. It’s not a know or should have known –
(Italics mine. Now neither lawyerJoe or (former) congresscritterJoe cited what title and part of the U.S. Code Hillary was violating.)
So Ignatius, trying to be as patient as possible I guess, explained it a bit more s-l-o-w-l-y and thoroughly for #sockless:
This issue comes up surprisingly often because there is an administrative problem where people do these things and their security officers summon them and warn them and issue reprimands and it goes in their file and it’s a serious personnel administrative problem. My only point is I couldn’t find a case where this kind of activity had been prosecuted and that’s just worth noting as we assemble our Clinton e-mail – and more thing, Joe, legally there is no difference between her using her private server and if she’d used State.gov, which is also not a classified system. The idea that, oh this would have been fine if she used State.gov, not legally, no difference.
And here is the edited version that they re-aired later in the program, leaving out that key part.
As Peter Daou and Tom Watson said over at HillaryMen, “How Low Can Morning Joe Go?”
As Hillary Clinton attempts to make history as America’s first woman president, Morning Joe has emerged as the global headquarters of the He-Man Hillary Haters Club, with Scarborough and co-host Mika Brzezinski presiding over a daily boys club that relentlessly attacks Hillary’s candidacy, her accomplishments, her very humanity. It is an ugly and self-righteous spectacle, rife with misleading allegations, insinuations and false indignation. Searching for words to describe Morning Joe’s particular brand of anti-Hillary invective, we’ve described it as “an unhealthy and unhinged combination of envy, awe, muted rage and dripping disdain.”
And #socklessdeadintern has never been one to back off, even if it comes to bullying his own guests.
and perhaps on a previous show that’s why Jeremy Peters did this:
Also, if you are curious about how we came up with #deadintern for schmoe, then you can go here and read about it. Prolix, catching something in an article about schmoe’s tendency to go sockless thought it was a good idea to add that to the hashtag. Works for me.
But back to that article:
Just the facts: Scarborough got a divorce. Then he suddenly resigned from Congress, just six months after re-election. (Invoked old fallback excuse of wanting to “spend more time” with children.) Then he suddenly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun. Then, just as suddenly, Lori Klausutis, 28-year-old staffer to Scarborough, was found dead in Scarborough’s district office in Fort Walton Beach, Florida. Date was July 20, 2001. Cause of death: Blow to the head. Conclusion: Heart condition caused her to collapse, fall, hit head on a desk, and die. Story barely a blip on the radar. Lots of people left with lots of questions.
Lotsa good stuff at that link and some other links on that site.
And lastly, if you think I’m being sexist or misogynistic about #drunkmika, I’m not. As they say on the teevee, let’s roll the tape.
Okay, this is a completely open thread so feel free to take it wherever you wish.
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