The Widdershins

Those lying liars and those lies they tell

Posted on: September 30, 2015

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 Good afternoon Widdershins!

I think we’ve all come to the conclusion that watching Morning schmoe has become an exercise…not so much in futility but more of an arm exercise because the show has become something that makes you want to throw things at your teevee.

Not being satisfied with deliberately mouthing untruths about Hillary Clinton’s email server, they have now gone to the point where they will purposefully edit out anything that may sound favorable to Hillary.

Recently Washington Post columnist David Ignatius was on the show and attempted to provide, not so much a defense of Clinton’s actions, but rather an explanation that no, she did not do anything wrong or criminal, and in his WaPo column he explained (but apparently not clearly enough to #socklessdeadintern and #drunkmika) that there was no similarity to the situation with David Petraeus’ situation.

Potential criminal violations arise when officials knowingly disseminate documents marked as classified to unauthorized officials or on unclassified systems, or otherwise misuse classified materials. That happened in two cases involving former CIA directors that are cited as parallels for the Clinton e-mail issue, but are quite different. John Deutch was pardoned in 2001 for using an unsecured CIA computer at his home to improperly access classified material; he reportedly had been prepared to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. David Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor in April for “knowingly” removing classified documents from authorized locations and retaining them at “unauthorized locations.” Neither case fits the fact pattern with the Clinton e-mails.

But going back to my first item, when Ignatius was on the show, in the initial segment Ignatius said:

“As I talked to a half dozen of lawyers who do nothing but this kind of work, they said they couldn’t remember a case like this, where people informally and inadvertently draw classified information into their phone conversations or their unclassified server conversations, where there had been a prosecution.
(Bolding in the original C&L article)

Now, #socklessdeadintern wasn’t happy with this so he had to add his own little twists and turns:

JOE SCARBOROUGH: David, so you have over the past week or two turned a bit in some of your editorial, in some of your op-eds, you’ve said you would rather hear Hillary’s policy positions than more talk about the servers, you said you don’t think she faces any criminal prosecution. You haven’t exactly said nothing is here, move along, move along, but you’ve certainly —

MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Getting tired of it, which is what they’re hoping.
(thatagirl #drunkmika!) -my comment

SCARBOROUGH: — Yeah, I mean aren’t you playing into what the Clinton sort of scandal response team wants, which is so much stuff comes at you that at some point you just say, “Come on, let’s just move on.”

DAVID IGNATIUS: Joe, I’ve tried to respond as a journalist but in particular I’ve tried to look at what is a real prosecutable offense here. There are violations clearly both of administrative procedure and probably technically of law and how classified information was handled. As I talked to a half dozen of lawyers who do nothing but this kind of work, they said they couldn’t remember a case like this, where people informally and inadvertently draw classified information into their phone conversations or their unclassified server conversations, where there had been a prosecution.

But #sockless…still not happy, has to keep harping on his preconceived ideas.

SCARBOROUGH: But this isn’t happenstance. This is a very calculated move to say if you want to communicate with the Secretary of State, as Edwards Snowden said, whether you are a foreign diplomat or a spy chief from another country or a leader of another country, which they all did, you’ve got to come to this unsecured server, whether it is in Colorado or wherever it is, and there is a standard in the U.S. Code under prosecutions for this sort of thing which is gross negligence. It’s not a know or should have known –
(Italics mine.  Now neither lawyerJoe or (former) congresscritterJoe cited what title and part of the U.S. Code Hillary was violating.)

So Ignatius, trying to be as patient as possible I guess, explained it a bit more s-l-o-w-l-y and thoroughly for #sockless:

This issue comes up surprisingly often because there is an administrative problem where people do these things and their security officers summon them and warn them and issue reprimands and it goes in their file and it’s a serious personnel administrative problem. My only point is I couldn’t find a case where this kind of activity had been prosecuted and that’s just worth noting as we assemble our Clinton e-mail – and more thing, Joe, legally there is no difference between her using her private server and if she’d used, which is also not a classified system. The idea that, oh this would have been fine if she used, not legally, no difference.

And here is the edited version that they re-aired later in the program, leaving out that key part.

As Peter Daou and Tom Watson said over at HillaryMen, “How Low Can Morning Joe Go?”

As Hillary Clinton attempts to make history as America’s first woman president, Morning Joe has emerged as the global headquarters of the He-Man Hillary Haters Club, with Scarborough and co-host Mika Brzezinski presiding over a daily boys club that relentlessly attacks Hillary’s candidacy, her accomplishments, her very humanity. It is an ugly and self-righteous spectacle, rife with misleading allegations, insinuations and false indignation. Searching for words to describe Morning Joe’s particular brand of anti-Hillary invective, we’ve described it as “an unhealthy and unhinged combination of envy, awe, muted rage and dripping disdain.”

And #socklessdeadintern has never been one to back off, even if it comes to bullying his own guests.

and perhaps on a previous show that’s why Jeremy Peters did this:

Also, if you are curious about how we came up with #deadintern for schmoe, then you can go here and read about it.   Prolix, catching something in an article about schmoe’s tendency to go sockless thought it was a good idea to add that to the hashtag.  Works for me.

But back to that article:

Just the facts: Scarborough got a divorce. Then he suddenly resigned from Congress, just six months after re-election. (Invoked old fallback excuse of wanting to “spend more time” with children.) Then he suddenly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun. Then, just as suddenly, Lori Klausutis, 28-year-old staffer to Scarborough, was found dead in Scarborough’s district office in Fort Walton Beach, Florida. Date was July 20, 2001. Cause of death: Blow to the head. Conclusion: Heart condition caused her to collapse, fall, hit head on a desk, and die. Story barely a blip on the radar. Lots of people left with lots of questions.

Lotsa good stuff at that link and some other links on that site.

And lastly, if you think I’m being sexist or misogynistic about #drunkmika, I’m not.  As they say on the teevee, let’s roll the tape.

Okay, this is a completely open thread so feel free to take it wherever you wish.



31 Responses to "Those lying liars and those lies they tell"

Great post, Fredster. Thanks for watching so I don’t have to!
Those two toads aren’t worthy to lick Hillary Clinton’s Comfort Strides.

Thank you Sue.

I just wanted to have a post where it is obvious and apparent what those two (and so many more) are doing to Hillary. And as far as #drunkmika goes, Madeleine Albright said it best:

“There is a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women.”

If she can’t do anything else then Meeka just needs to hush when it comes to the topic of Hillary Rodham Clinton!

Excellent post Fredster. I echo and giggle at Sue’s point about the Comfort Strides.

Given the number of times these two have been collectively fired, it is good that they have picked up a trade, there’s always picking a shift or two as baristas at Starbucks, but #drunkmika will have to take the cure and #socklessdeadintern will have to cover up his ankles.

The wordpress gods still won’t let me “like” a post so consider this my “liking” of your post.

Thank you Prolix. Alas, I don’t think Starbucks would work out for either of them. Could you imagine wanting your mocha grande, big daddy, HUGE cup of coffee and having to listen to their opinion which they would surely give to you?

@4: Yep, it is acting up. I’m using Firefox and there’s a little addon I have at the bottom of the screen to show what info the browser is waiting on or going to etc. WP has been hanging up on either gravatar links or an api for twitter. I saw it doing the same thing in another browser so it’s a w.p. issue.

Oh and did y’all notice in that first clip Donny Deutsch is sitting there with his arms tightly folded as if thinking “I can’t believe I”m having to deal with these two fools again on this!” ?

I had this clip of #socklessdeadintern having a run in with Rachel Maddow. This was back in 2008 when the Rev. Jeremiah Wright stuff was going on. Rachel just owns sockless and you can hear him unhook his mic and when they go back to a group shot, sockless has walked off.

Remember when I commented about how Trey Gowdy and his not-so-special-select committee may treat Hillary when she testifies?

Well, here ya go. Check the tweets from the possible new Speaker of the House.

From going to the link above for HillaryMen I saw this link in the article to another website called Blue Nation Review. I gave it a look-see and thought it was pretty good. Y’all check it out and see what you think.

Excellent post. I used to enjoy MJ, but have not watched in months In fact, the only thing I now watch as MSNBC is Rachel Maddow, and even that not very often. They are trying to outfox Fox, and it’s sad to watch.

I literally have not watched these shows since 2008 and I have not missed them one bit in my life. I pretty much quit watching them in 2001 but then picked up watching them a few years later and then quit them pretty much for good in 2008. The only thing I watch from any of these shows are the clips that are shown on blogs like this. Mika and Joe have found their niche audience and it’s the freeper crowd. At one point in time the show used to be reasonable but from what I am hearing it’s now all freeper all the time. And then the freepers go around and play sockpocket on blogs saying “oh, Joe and Mika “not republicans” think this and such and if democrats like Mika are saying it then it must be TRUE not realizing they are saying this to keep the freepers watching.

@11 and 12: I also enjoyed the show for a long time. #sockless, for a long time was kind of moderate sounding. Meeka has always been subservient to #sockless but hadn’t swallowed Joe’s kool-aid at that point.

When working on this stuff I saw someplace that supposedly m.j. is *the* place for Washington insiders to go and to watch. Why, I have no idea. #socklessdeadintern has been out of office for years and I sincerely doubt he has any connections worth a damn back there.

Indeed, their ratings are sinking but MSNBC and Phil Griffin seem stuck on the sinking ship and are going to increase the show to 4 hours a day. Gag a maggot!

Oh and have you ever noticed how #socklessdeadintern’s mouth looks just like Clutch Cargo’s when he talking?

I have not heard of Clutch, but there is a resemblance.

@15: I used to watch the cartoon as a kid. A very *young* kid mind you. 😉

@14, is that #drunkmika playing Snowshoe?

@17: Could be! 😆

Well Francis (I hope inadvertently) has gotten himself into the middle of the lil Kim Davis mess. And now her attorneys are running with it like crazy.

I think perhaps Michelangelo Signorile is being a bit harsh but we’re going to have to see how this plays out.

Don’t Protestants by definition protest the authority of the Pope?

@20: That’s what I thought and in some of “those” churches, they either refer to him as the anti-Christ or just don’t believe that Catholics are Christians. Isn’t that special!

There has been another school shooting – our 45th of the year.

Just watched a news confr. I like that the sheriff said he was not going to say the shooters name, wasn’t going to give him the satisfaction or something similar to that.

Wow! It is just getting so really ugly out there.

So, Edward Snowden is an oracle suddenly? That’s quite a promotion from traitor to oracle.

@25: Yes! Isn’t that interesting. And looking at the author’s bona fides, I really don’t care which pubs he’s written for because if he’s soooooo incredibly clueless as to think Sanders has a chance in the general, then he’s just astonishingly…naive. And ***IF*** they succeed in pulling this shit again with her, that’s it for me; I won’t be voting for anybody. Let them go ahead and select Sanders or Uncle Joe. It’s going to be difficult as hell to get a third term of a Dem president. She’s the only one who has half a chance. They do this and we’ll be looking at Pres. Bush (again!) or maybe Pres. Cruz…who knows, but it won’t be good!

@24, ewww, that is ugly. What a nasty little piece he is.

I’m not buying that this lame email thing will bring her down. They thought they would knock Bill out with his infidelities when he was first running and no one cared. Most people do not know or care about Hillary’s emails.

I wonder how the bernbots are explaining Bernies votes against gun control in light of the terrible tragedy yesterday.

@27: Wasn’t that an incredibly vile piece of cr@p? Perhaps he and #socklessdeadintern and #drunkmika could get together and hold a really good hate session on Hillary!

@28: Oh they’ll rationalize it one way or another.

@24, okay, plugging my nerdishness into a 220 socket, let’s look at Mr. H.A. Goodman, the guy wearing the a$$beanie.

First, his byline says, he’s been published in, the Jerusalem Post, Chicago Tribune, The Hill’s Congress Blog, the Roanoke Times, and various other publications throughout the country. That means something he wrote got reprinted — maybe a letter to the editor, maybe the etymological history of “the” — whatever.

Second, says, “he studied International Relations at USC and worked for a brief stint at the U.S. Department of State’s Foreign Service Institute.” Let’s unpack that shall we? Studied at USC, no degree, means he could have shown up for class on the second day and that means he studied at USC. “Brief stint” means he didn’t even have to make it to the second day at a satellite’s satellite of the equivalent of a State Dept. food truck.

Third, if you look at his litany of articles, in the last two months — two months, he has done 20 articles about loving Bernie, Bernie, Bernie. You’d think he had some weird fetish for sex with the guy from the “Back to the Future” franchise.

Goodman is an old Obot with a gland problem — he’s a worthless anal lesion on the anus of a lazy earthworm.

@25: GUFFAW!!

You mentioning that about the Foreign Service thing jarred my memory. I had a guy I worked with years ago who went for the Foreign Service Officer tests at State. He said he passed everything written and went through his orals. Steve was one of the most booksmart guys I knew. He was working on his doctorate when he went for the tests at State. He wasn’t selected. He was running out of his G.I. education benefit so when he applied for a job at Commerce as a survey stat, he took it.

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