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Diogenes’ dilemma…

Posted on: April 29, 2014

Good afternoon Widdershins.  I hope this Tuesday greeted you appropriately.


You already know this, but it bears repeating.  The ex-BFF of Sean Hannity and now conservative pariah, Cliven Bundy said:

I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro.  He recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do? he asked. They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.

"Diogenes" by Jules Bastien-Lapage (1873)

“Diogenes” by Jules Bastien-Lapage (1873)

Representative and Republican Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan gave a speech in late March and said:

We have got this tailspin of culture, in our inner cities in particular, of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work, and so there is a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with.

In order to bolster himself as the conservative’s Conservative, Ryan went on Bill Bennett’s “Morning in America” radio show, where he approvingly invoked the code name of Charles Murray, a conservative “social scientist”  who believes African-Americans are, as a population, less intelligent than whites due to genetic differences and that poverty remains a national problem because “a lot of poor people are born lazy.”

Searching for an honest man by J.H.W. Tischbein, c. 1780.

Searching for an honest man by J.H.W. Tischbein, c. 1780.

Bundy is now deemed a crank. Ryan is an intellectual thought leader of the right. Bundy has undoubtedly worked hard his entire life as a rancher. Ryan has never drawn a private sector paycheck. Bundy seems to be influenced by the conspiracy minded Alex Jones. Ryan claims to be influenced by Russian-American atheist Ayn Rand. Bundy’s perceived power is inextricably intertwined with armed militiamen. Ryan wields power by taking a meat cleaver to the social safety net. Both men have profound concerns about the federal government.

But just for a moment consider:  If there was a modern-day Diogenes dutifully searching for an honest man, of the two who would get a second look?

This is an open thread.



10 Responses to "Diogenes’ dilemma…"

Neither has earned what most would call an honest living, but at least Bundy can be said to honestly state his viewpoint.

BTW, Happy Birthday to Willie Nelson. Who could forget his performance of “Up Against the Wall, You Redneck Mother” with Roslyn Carter at the WH?

Bundy “doesn’t believe” in the fed. govt so if that’s the case why is he doing this, holding a flag that literally represents the govt he doesn’t believe in? (question posed by, I believe, Jon Stewart.)

We are getting ready for round 3 of the severe weather to head this way. We had three tornado warnings specifically for the little burg I’m in and then an EF1 did touch down about 8 miles away. Oh fun!!

NWS just kicked off a tornado watch until 10:00 pm.

@1 — Chat, that’s what I think too — I would much rather deal with the Devil I know versus the hidden agenda.

As loathsome as Bundy’s views are, at least we know who he is.

@3, Fredster, here’s a couple of facts that run headlong into Cliven’s twenty-year snit fit with the government:

1. The Reagan is the President who signed the law declaring grazing fees for federal lands; and

2. Federal grazing fees are $1.85 per calf/cow per month. Private grazing fees are currently $16.80 per calf/cow per month. Cliven’s cows are on welfare and subsidized by the federal government — his cows are part of the 47%.

Even a $15.00 per cow federal government subsidy for Cliven isn’t enough, but even with that, I think he’s more honest about who he is than Paul Ryan.

@7, I guess it is bad form to annotate your own comment, but when you make a pure extrapolation on Bundy’s herd running these numbers and not assuming any late fees or penalties, etc. his herd of would number between 2,200 and 2,300 a year. That’s not exactly a pauper by any stretch of the imagination.

Prolix@7: That would also infer that since Cliven has welfare cows, he’s living off the benefit of those welfare cows making him a double recipient of the welfare state. LOL!!

Uh-oh…starting to cloud up here. And with the tornado watch, I think I’m gonna catch a snooze while i can. If things start popping like they did last night, I’ll be up for awhile when it starts.

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