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Posted on: July 2, 2013

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that you want to rip the testicles off of Rick Perry, John Kasich and the rest of the male pigs who want to continue the assault on womens’ rights.

As some of you have said, the fight for gay rights, while it’s not complete, may have come further than the rights for women which seem to be rolling backwards.  It appears that the insults and assaults on womens’ rights are coming from everywhere, at the federal level and the state level.  It’s even scarier when you have a congressman, Michael Burgess, R-Texas (why oh why is it always Texas?) who comes up with this:

“This is a subject that I do know something about,” said Burgess, a former OB/GYN. “There is no question in my mind that a baby at 20 weeks after conception can feel pain. The fact of the matter is, I argue with the chairman because I thought the date was far too late. We should be setting this at 15 weeks, 16 weeks.”

“Watch a sonogram of a 15-week baby, and they have movements that are purposeful,” Burgess continued. “They stroke their face. If they’re a male baby, they may have their hand between their legs. If they feel pleasure, why is it so hard to think that they could feel pain?”

By the way ladies, yes, he’s an OB/GYN.  And he was speaking in support of   The Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act. The bill outlaws abortion at twenty weeks after conception.  According to the Repubs in the House they chose that time because “the baby can feel pain” at that point.   Now…the Repubs were never known to be exactly crazy about science and stuff, but their twenty week time is contrary to established medical information about fetal viability.  That link, by the way, is from the National Library of Medicine at the National Institutes of Health.  Just sayin’.  Oh and that bill passed by the way.  But as William Saletan says in the Slate piece, the twenty week number is just that:  a number.  It’s just a place for the Repubs to start.  Rep. Marsha Blackburn who was handling the bill for the anti-choice folks had a comment to add:

“We know that at eight weeks, babies feel pain,”  (Do they?  Really?)

Rep. Martha Roby of the great state of Alabama is of the impression that: “babies far along enough in development to feel touch, to respond to touch.”  Damn!  What do they do to respond?  And good ole Marsha was extremely eager to offer her professional opinion also:  “Blackburn agreed: ‘Scientific evidence tells us that unborn babies can feel touch as soon as eight weeks into the pregnancy.’.”  Damn Marsha! I didn’t know you were so smart about that medical stuff.  What’s that?  Ohhhh…apparently not quite:

Blackburn attended Northeast Jones High School and graduated from Mississippi State University where she joined Chi Omega, and where she also spent a few summers working with the Southwestern Company. She owned and operated a marketing company in Williamson County Tennessee.

Oh I see.  Well at least she was a Chi O and I guess that stands for something.  But maybe, just maybe, that Southwestern Company that she spent some summers working with gave her some special insight or something.  Let’s check ole Wiki and see what’s what:

Southwestern owns Southwestern Advantage, previously known as Southwestern Company, a company that recruits and trains college and university students to sell educational books, software, and website subscriptions door-to-door using direct selling methods. Students participating in the program are independent contractors, not employees of the company, selling the products directly to private families at retail for delivery at the end of the season.

Hmmm…so ole Marsha spent her summers hawking books and stuff for the company.  If you can, read how that company operates.  It’s veddy, veddy interesting.  So I think you get the point that ole Marsha doesn’t have a professional clue as to what the hell she’s talking about.

Oh and there’s Republican representative Ann Wagner from MO who said:

If you don’t accept the claims about tactile sensation, pro-lifers can cite other milestones. “After three weeks, the baby has a heartbeat,” said Rep. Ann Wagner, R-Mo. “After seven weeks, the baby begins kicking in the womb. By week eight, the baby begins to hear, and fingerprints start to form. After 10 weeks, the baby is able to turn his or her head, frown, and even hiccup. By week 11, the baby can grasp with his or her hands, and by week 12, the baby can suck his or her thumb.”

Damn!  I have no idea why I didn’t pop out fully able to have  a b.m. and being capable of cleaning my own butt!  The Momster would have been pleased at that.

What our dear friends the anti-choicers, are doing is to move the conversation from “viability” to the ability to feel pain.  As Saletan states:

Eight states have enacted bans like the one that passed the House, prohibiting abortions 22 weeks after the woman’s last menstrual period (LMP), i.e., 20 weeks after estimated fertilization. Arizona has banned abortions at 20 weeks LMP, based on the same pain theory. Arkansas has banned them at 12 weeks LMP, based on the detectability of heartbeats by ultrasound. North Dakota has banned them at six weeks LMP—four weeks after fertilization—based on the detectability of heartbeats by a transvaginal probe.

And he concludes by saying:

Ultimately, pro-lifers plan to outlaw abortions at conception. They believe, in Wagner’s words, that “killing an unborn child is unacceptable at any time.” But to get there, they need you to start small, by letting go of the viability standard and shifting to the pain standard. Then it’s all downhill. “If we find [killing] so horrendous one minute after birth, shouldn’t it be horrendous one minute before birth?” asks Rep. Andy Harris, R-Md. “And if it’s one minute before birth, how about one week? How about one month? How about two months? We can go all the way back.” And they will.

Ohio had the same things going on and they were attached to the state’s budget bill.  In the clip below from Maddow’s show, women were on the steps of the state capitol last week calling for a line item veto by John Kasich on the anti-abortion legislation.  Alas, Kasich declined to go along with the wimmenz and vetoed nothing.  He signed the bill and left.

Here’s the clip from Maddow about the Ohio mess and the stunts they are going to try to pull in North Carolina.

I’m not too sure exactly what to do to try to stop these idiots.  However, I did get a letter in the mail from Emily’s List (I am a member of Emily’s List) asking for a contribution to enable them to find more pro-choice Democratic women and encourage them to run for office.   I’ll send them some dollars to help out with that.  If you want to do the same, you can go here:

That’s not an appeal, endorsement or anything like that.  Rather, when trying to find a womens organization to be a part of, after looking around I thought  Emily’s List was the best fit for me.

This is an open thread.



Oh, you best believe that I am angry. I have more days behind me than ahead of me, and I want to leave this earth an equal citizen.

The only thing I know to do Chat, is to sign all the petitions that come my way via email and I can send a few $$s to this Emily’s List thing, since this mail or “campaign” or whatever is called “Where are the women?”. The thing they are doing now is called POP, or Political Opportunity Program for women. I didn’t know who to affiliate myself with but it seemed that NOW was busy with infighting the last thing I read and I wanted to be with some group that was political in nature so Emily’s List looked like the one for me.

I was doing some googling on this Maureen Condic, the anti-choicers “professional voice” person regarding “life” and when it begins. Veddy interesting piece of opinion here.

She sums it up in three paragraphs and one numbered list.

Hey everybody (all two of us), go see Beata’s last comment on the previous thread and go send her some love. Sounds like she needs it.

What a pandering lot these VP (Vaginal Policemen) are! They are now trying to sell fertilization prior to implantation of the zygote. Realistically when the men folks who always know more about wimmenz’ reproductive system understand that their newfound definition outlaws many forms of birth control what will they do with all that Viagra setting in their nightstands?

Guvs. K-sick and PrettyHair are disgusting — by an overwhelming majority, about two-thirds, the public supports the right to choose right where it is. The segment of the Repub primary electorate they are pandering to is smaller and smaller — so much for the kinder, gentler Repubs.

@2 — one thing I know that should be taking place in all the states is that groundwork for the equitable redistricting of Congressional Districts should be beginning right now. This isn’t rocket science, there are computer programs that can spit out reapportionment maps with abandon. People should know and understand that even if they do go vote, their votes have been watered down and diminished by these monkeyshines. The DNC and Obama allowed this to happen in 2010 without so much as a whimper and it is on them — if people knew, these state legislators could be held accountable.

Prolix said: when the men folks who always know more about wimmenz’ reproductive system understand that their newfound definition outlaws many forms of birth control what will they do with all that Viagra setting in their nightstands?

Oh hell, they’ll use it and to hell with the repercussions. These folks are PLUBS, as JJ over at Skydancing calls them: Pro-life until birth. Then, the wimmenz is on their own.

Prolix@6: but you know the Dems love them some “safe” districts too.

@8, but in the Dems “safe districts” in the traditionally red states, they are safe because all the Dems have been bundled in together in the fewest districts possible — in some states, just one urban district. Human nature being what it is with ambitious Dem pols, the pressure for redistricting is more widespread. That is the difference between the Dems and the Repubs on redistricting. While the Dems hearts are anything but pure on the subject, their motivations are not being coordinated at the national level by the likes of the Kochs and Peterson. The Dems appetite for power, at least for the time being, is more personally greedy.

Prolix@9 And after I made that comment I thought about the fact that also the majority of the state houses are in the hands of the repubs and they’re going to do exactly as you said. La has the one minority-majority district which is basically Orleans parish. When they were doing the district alignments I think there was talk of making a second minority-majority district around Baton Rouge, but I think the idea fell apart.

@10, Opening scene, Baton Rouge Statehouse, fat, sassy, white, Repub LA legislators (could be any southern state) sitting around talking:

Big Bubba: Well, I say, I say, let’s have ourselves two of them “urban” districts.

Little Bubba: Naw, I thinks one of ‘dem urban districts is enough.

Big Bubba: Yer right.

Just the thought of these statehouse swine in any southern state consolidating any group of voters, be they black, Hispanic, Italian, or polka dotted, in order to muzzle the issues represented by such groups and diminish their electoral influence runs afoul of the VRA. If we had had a President or an Attorney General who wasn’t afraid to look like an angry black man, this would not have happened — we would still have Speaker Pelosi and not the whimpering Orangeman and his butt dimple, Eric Cantor.

Just an aside, but wonder what history will say when they ask, “Why didn’t Obama get angry about those things to which he should have been particularly sensitive?”

fat, sassy, white, Repub LA legislators (could be any southern state) sitting around talking

You mean like John Alario?

And here he is with his little butt-buddy. 😉

From Meet the Press on Sunday. Listen to Jim DeMint say that women “get the opportunity” to have an ultrasound before an abortion. Rachel Maddow clears it up for him very quickly.

Great post, Fredster. Believe me, I have been angry since that bastard Raygun sat in the Oval Office and started all this “big tent” bullsh*t. Completely ruined the Republican Party by letting the evangelical anti-choice whackjobs in.

I DO have an idea of what can be done, but I’ll be sharing it in my post tomorrow. 🙂

MB said: I’ll be sharing it in my post tomorrow

Sounds great! The Emily’s List letter I got asked for the donations for their POP program which is their Political Opportunity Program. Pasting in here:

The Political Opportunity Program at EMILY’s List recruits and trains women to run for office at the state and local level. …

And that’s great because it seems that most of the damage is being done at the state level. However, we need more women at the federal level too.

Yes, that is excellent, Fredster. I do feel that a lot of women’s organizations are starting to coalesce around the fact that women are so terribly underrepresented in government, at the state, local and federal level. It is a good sign!

I love Kirsten Gillibrand’s dedication to this issue. But you knew that. 😉

Excellent post, Fredster. The best response I saw to Michael Burgess was this:

SophieCT: 😆

From over at Skydancing: Live feed from the hearings in the Texas Capitol:

Link is here.

Fredster you rock! The Texas demonstration looks amazing.

Thanks socal, I try!

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